tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post7394847134086382853..comments2024-03-28T06:32:24.557-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: Should China be Appeased or Opposed?Deuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-78240839579918835582011-01-25T18:47:50.077-05:002011-01-25T18:47:50.077-05:00Uh Oh
CAIRO — Thousands of people calling for the...<b>Uh Oh</b><br /><br /><i>CAIRO — Thousands of people calling for the end of the 30-year rule of President Hosni Mubarak clashed with riot police officers here in the capital and in other Egyptian cities on Tuesday, on a day of some of the most serious civil unrest in recent memory</i><br /><br />Mubarak has two choices, going Tienamenn, or losing control.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-86066395001082104082011-01-25T17:39:30.457-05:002011-01-25T17:39:30.457-05:00:)
I like elegance in my theories as well.:)<br /><br />I like elegance in my theories as well.Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688752302081088907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-18117488925063575192011-01-25T17:00:09.263-05:002011-01-25T17:00:09.263-05:00A false dichotomy
Ash, your brevity is breath-tak...<i>A false dichotomy</i><br /><br />Ash, your brevity is breath-taking!Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-47584769230543762722011-01-25T16:43:55.412-05:002011-01-25T16:43:55.412-05:00holy smokes batman its...
...its
CEDARFORD!!
I ...holy smokes batman its...<br /><br />...its<br /><br />CEDARFORD!!<br /><br />I haven't seen that name in quite a while...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />As to the Appease or Opposed question - it is a false dichotomy.Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688752302081088907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1727496052713196812011-01-25T16:41:05.026-05:002011-01-25T16:41:05.026-05:00All I know is that war with China is unthinkable. ...All I know is that war with China is unthinkable. The Chinese know that and will use that. However I agree with Cedarford, when the Chinese feel powerful enough they will be taking back Taiwan and no group of powers will stop them.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-85399659960763646912011-01-25T16:28:51.750-05:002011-01-25T16:28:51.750-05:00"Should China be Appeased or Opposed?"
..."Should China be Appeased or Opposed?"<br /><br />=============<br /><br />Free Trade and Globalism, enthusiastically endorsed by both Dem & Rep Parties - handed the Chicommies our asses.<br />Tienamenn Square is forgotten in China as the wise leaders with 67% approval as doing a great job (highest in the world) gave 10-12% annual growth and a tripling of the standard of living as Detroit, Akron, Oakland were gutted of good paying manufacturing jobs. Since the Tienamenn Square kerfluffle. The average feeling in China is despite the protest and unfortunate violence, "we were lucky our leaders stayed on course and got us jobs and made China #1 again"<br /><br /><br />=============<br /><br />That is not how power politics are played. America is just recently removed from being so big and powerful nations that tried to humiliate us didn't matter in the least.<br />Now they can. And most nations have their historical memory of past humiliations, and many ways they were forced into subordination, some involving us. Doesn't have to be war. Most involve being cast down the pecking order on economic issues. Like Greece, lining up for it's monthly shit sandwich of "you must do these things" from German, French, Dutch, Japanese, and Swiss state bankers.<br /><br /><br />===================<br /><br />Taiwan will be reabsorbed into China within a decade.<br />Everyone knows it is coming, hopefully without a show war done by the powerful and growing Chinese military spending their WalMart revenue on subs, attack air wings, and missiles.<br /><br />Australia and NZ have already said things have changed..they no longer will back Taiwan (or America) by joining them in the event of a China-Taiwan clash if CHina elects to reabsorb them "The ugly way".Hu Dathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13311917290525328316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-87805047899512411532011-01-25T16:19:02.467-05:002011-01-25T16:19:02.467-05:00Far more important matters have to be dealt with b...Far more important matters have to be dealt with by Obama regarding China. He was elected to be President of all of us, not transformed into "Dissident Savior" by some lefty Englishman or Norweigians sitting on Fjord that thought making Obama a winner was a clever thing to do.<br /><br />Deal with China on trade that is bankrupting America and destroying jobs. Deal with China in working to prevent conditions that could cause ruinous wars with N Korea or China itself in the future. Extend to China the same respect we give to other powerful, influential nations. Our relationship with China is more vital than all the nations in the ME together.Hu Dathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13311917290525328316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-54028938047164858262011-01-25T15:24:05.908-05:002011-01-25T15:24:05.908-05:00Nothing to be learned by our history of disarmamen...Nothing to be learned by our history of disarmament and it's costs in the twentieth century.<br /><br />As if any war is the war to end all wars.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-59185196394163106342011-01-25T15:17:21.267-05:002011-01-25T15:17:21.267-05:00"More importantly, the people support them&qu..."<i>More importantly, the people support them</i>"<br /><br />Ain't that the truth.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-36172975753597999252011-01-25T15:14:00.341-05:002011-01-25T15:14:00.341-05:00I agree with Rat on China. Nobama having somethin...I agree with Rat on China. Nobama having something to do with the stock market climbing is laughable.<br /><br />China Schmina.MOMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18307879234693014691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-4514849707081574022011-01-25T15:13:49.557-05:002011-01-25T15:13:49.557-05:00I'd just be more impressed if her discography ...I'd just be more impressed if her discography matched Trace Adkin's.<br /><br />He had to clean up a few messes too, ya know:<br /><br />As a youth, Trace was in an automobile accident in which his car hit a bus head-on. <br />Both his arms, a leg, and some ribs were broken and his nose was partially torn off. <br />Trace was forced to give up football after a severe knee injury at Louisiana Tech. <br /><br />He has also experienced a number of serious injuries as an adult. His little finger on his left hand was partially severed and surgically re-attached. <br /><br />He was involved in a number of bar room incidents and was also<b> shot in the heart and lungs by his second wife.</b>[22] <br />Adkins denies abusing her but comments that the relationship was marked by excessive alcohol use.[23]Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-47172994404329812972011-01-25T14:50:18.772-05:002011-01-25T14:50:18.772-05:00.
The Obama policies are succeeding.
Are they? ....<br /><br /><i>The Obama policies are succeeding.</i><br /><br />Are they? Or is this a case of the <i>post hoc ergo propter hoc</i> fallacy?<br /><br />According to economists the Great Recession ended in June 2009. Probably too soon for Obama's fiscal policies as structured to have had much of an effect in leading to the ‘recovery’. Now where are we 18 months later?<br /><br />According to most models that track the business cycle recoveries are marked by increases in productivity, consumer confidence, aggregate demand, and prices.<br /><br />At best, things have been spotty during the 'recovery' period. Productivity has been up and down as has been consumer confidence. Aggregate demand has been piss poor and is likely to stay that way for some time as the unemployment rate hangs around 9.4%.<br /><br />The only prices that have been rising are for commodities and raw materials.<br /><br />The first question is, were the Obama stimulus action helpful to the economy? I think they were; however, I think the same amount of money more efficiently applied would have helped more. That being said, there is no way of proving that they helped.<br /><br />The bigger question then becomes if he had done nothing and let the normal business cycle run its course would we be any worse off than we are right now? The answer of course is who the hell knows?<br /><br />However, when after eighteen months of 'recovery' we have no consumer demand, no investment, and an unemployment rate that doesn't seem to want to move from 9.4%, I have to take a jaundiced view of the opinion that the Obama policies are succeeding.<br /><br />My opinion is that there is little he (or anyone) can do to help the economy right now. That all he can do is wait for the regular market forces to eventually kick in and get things moving.<br /><br />Frankly, despite his rhetoric, I think that is exactly what he is doing right now; that and hoping it kicks in during the next year to assure he doesn't have a problem holding onto the White House.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14094598449663896529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-35385453978125537312011-01-25T12:19:54.004-05:002011-01-25T12:19:54.004-05:00.
Paper Tiger is the English translation of an ol....<br /><br /><i>Paper Tiger</i> is the English translation of an old Chinese phrase. Mao used it to describe the US when berating Kruschev.<br /><br />The West makes the mistake of assuming that the way we think is the way everyone thinks. It's the same when dealing with Islam. It's the same when dealing with China.<br /><br />China has been humiliated by the West for over a hundred years and the concept of "face" is important in the Far East. They are now on the rise and feeling exceptionally good about themselves. The young colonels recognize they have a powerful force at their command and are eager to use it. More, importantly the people support them.<br /><br />The more the US appeases the Chinese the more face we lose. In internatinal affairs, it's always better to be respected than to be liked. Hopefully, our next president will be willing to demand concessions rather than beg for them.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14094598449663896529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-62490733978686734632011-01-25T11:49:14.247-05:002011-01-25T11:49:14.247-05:00I'm sure there was some kind of melody while s...I'm sure there was some kind of melody while she severed the head and placed it ever so gently on its side in the frig. <br /><br />I think the handcuffs around the ankles and the dog sitting at dish was a delightful touch. <br /><br />Don't ya think?MeLoDyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04658982778792168451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-16536733224924745302011-01-25T10:17:20.000-05:002011-01-25T10:17:20.000-05:00She doesn't sing, MLD!She doesn't sing, MLD!Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-39057623232122605222011-01-25T10:16:14.587-05:002011-01-25T10:16:14.587-05:005% static gdp spending on the military is ruinous....5% static gdp spending on the military is ruinous.<br /><br />Spiraling out of control spending on social welfare programs and government employees is not.<br /><br />ObviouslyDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-16466302753758661332011-01-25T09:55:57.968-05:002011-01-25T09:55:57.968-05:00Doug try this one<a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CptDdF0s5Fo/TTN-XPv2ViI/AAAAAAAAAhU/HhHlH21LgZ4/s1600/Barbie.jpg" rel="nofollow">Doug try this one</a>MeLoDyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04658982778792168451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-56866002284949687002011-01-25T09:52:17.419-05:002011-01-25T09:52:17.419-05:00Stay calm, Dad
Need a smile today. A 911 call fr...<a href="http://www.maniacworld.com/stay-calm-dad.html" rel="nofollow">Stay calm, Dad</a><br /><br />Need a smile today. A 911 call from a 5 year old.MeLoDyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04658982778792168451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-28499822988137711002011-01-25T09:46:35.443-05:002011-01-25T09:46:35.443-05:00Korea provides the historic avenue of invasion, in...Korea provides the historic avenue of invasion, into China.<br /><br />Which is why they allow the Kim's to provide a buffer there, against US.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-44225158356614841892011-01-25T09:45:35.395-05:002011-01-25T09:45:35.395-05:00The Japanese did, successfully, in the 1930's....The Japanese did, successfully, in the 1930's.<br /><br />These memories are a major part of the current Chinese psyche.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-50031819527478683522011-01-25T09:44:28.739-05:002011-01-25T09:44:28.739-05:00China is CERTAINLY invulnerable to a land invasion...<i>China is CERTAINLY invulnerable to a land invasion by any other country....But the US would never try that tactic anyway.</i><br /><br />We certainly did, Stella.<br /><br />The US Army was marching towards the Yalu.<br />US air power was attacking targets in China, proper.<br /><br />It cost US 50,000 dead.<br />And for over 50 years, the expense of maintaining an Army in Korea.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-68087812389754417262011-01-25T09:41:23.640-05:002011-01-25T09:41:23.640-05:00I do not address those issues, doug, because every...I do not address those issues, doug, because everyone else does.<br /><br />But the fact remains that 3% of the whirled population should not be responsible for well over 50% of the global military spending.<br /><br />We certainly do not spend more on social programs in the US than the rest of the whirled, combined.<br /><br />That is where we are, as a nation.<br />That is where the "balance" is skewed the greatest.<br /><br />That we have been doing that, for decades, the real source of the current economic problems.<br /><br />When the military threats diminished, our spending on the military did not.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-77195873140754942842011-01-25T09:39:02.458-05:002011-01-25T09:39:02.458-05:00China is being exploited, to the benefit of the ru...<i>China is being exploited, to the benefit of the ruling elites in the US. Great profits are being generated and the standard of living for the average resident of the US has been materially improved, by our China policies.</i> <br /><br />Don't think that the Chinese people do not know that; including the young colonels, who have been well schooled in China's history with the West.Hu Dathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13311917290525328316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-50925604498648667962011-01-25T09:34:14.099-05:002011-01-25T09:34:14.099-05:00Sensible dialogue is not 'appeasement'. O...Sensible dialogue is not 'appeasement'. On the contrary, peaceful co-existence is not a bad idea. Can't we all just get along and get rich? Who benefits with military conflict with China?Hu Dathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13311917290525328316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-72567594820940694132011-01-25T09:04:03.369-05:002011-01-25T09:04:03.369-05:00While it is true that China is investing heavily i...While it is true that China is investing heavily in its military....It is NOT true that they are close to challenging America's military might. <br /><br />Americas Naval forces are NOT as vulnerable to the new Chinese missiles as a lot of the media are reporting. America has a lot of new technology that few know about right now....But it will be brought forth when needed. China is CERTAINLY invulnerable to a land invasion by any other country....But the US would never try that tactic anyway.<br /><br />It all comes down to what China wants to do....They can try to bully the rest of the world and cause a war...…or they can act civilized. The ball is in their court right now.Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09795547877694092754noreply@blogger.com