tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post6210324839556479807..comments2024-03-28T06:32:24.557-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: Christopher Hitchens on Abraham and Isaac Bible FableDeuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-241580495384378132022-06-28T09:34:01.002-04:002022-06-28T09:34:01.002-04:00Read More Here visit this site right here visit ... Read More Here <a href="https://www.dolabuy.ru/dior-c-209_216/top-dior-2020-sneaker-shoes-0015-p-2392.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>visit this site right here</strong></a> visit the website <a href="https://www.dolabuy.ru/book-c-157_224_303/wholesale-dior-book-tote-red-high-quality-36cm-bag-p-3598.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>replica bags buy online</strong></a> navigate to this web-site <a href="https://www.dolabuy.ru/gg-marmont-c-157_168_169/gucci-high-quality-designer-replica-gg-marmont-continental-wallet-443436-bag-p-4697.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>click for more</strong></a>smetohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14835392984738490468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-78375603799827732912016-02-05T22:34:46.341-05:002016-02-05T22:34:46.341-05:00.
In fact, I have googled. And my initial statem....<br /><br />In fact, I have googled. And my initial statement stands,<br /><br /><i>I think you interpretation is wrong. And before you say that is because I am uneducated remember that the question has been debated for thousands of years by educated people, biblical scholars, and philosophers such as Kierkegaard.<br /><br />My view, and many would agree, is it is meant as a lesson on faith. The lesson is that God is inscrutable. As puny humans we can't hope to understand God's morality. We must simply accept his will and obey. It is the same lesson we are taught in the story of Job. We might not understand God's will but we must obey it willingly.</i><br /><br />Mine was a simple statement indicating disagreement with your view and indicating that there have been numerous takes on the story throughout the millennia ranging from my view that it was a test of faith, to yours of disobedience, to it being a punishment, to Abraham actually killing his son.<br /><br />You talk of my arrogance?<br /><br />What of your pomposity and condescension?<br /><br /><i>Once again. You lack the original POV.<br /><br />Time to go to school Quick you POV is rooted in inaccuracies</i><br /><br />:o)<br /><br />My take on the story seems to be shared with a good many Jewish commentators. Given you performance here on numerous occasions on numerous subjects it is unlikely I would take your view over theirs.<br /><br />.<br /><br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1957322342298750672016-02-05T20:44:18.181-05:002016-02-05T20:44:18.181-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-20113948270068119622016-02-05T20:26:36.549-05:002016-02-05T20:26:36.549-05:00To me, story of Abraham and Isaac doesn't soun...To me, story of Abraham and Isaac doesn't sound like the J writer. It sounds like a tale told around the camp fires.<br /><br />The story of high humor of Abraham bargaining with THE RULER OF ALL THAT IS to save a few folks in Sodom and Gemorra sounds like the J writer, but that's just me.<br /><br /><br />Some really really really wonderful things happened today !<br /><br />I'm not wasting any more time reading the bullshit of Ash, Quirk, rat'sass and Deuce.<br /><br />Off the topic here......<br /><br /><br />Cheers Cheers Cheers !!!Idaho Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-40712567260860523532016-02-05T20:10:56.952-05:002016-02-05T20:10:56.952-05:00It be interesting for you to show us,, "O&quo...It be interesting for you to show us,, "O"rdure, the disinformation and down right lies ...<br /><br />But, we all know you cannot.Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-88555692896697637822016-02-05T20:01:13.341-05:002016-02-05T20:01:13.341-05:00Go back to your 'medical' practice of reve...Go back to your 'medical' practice of reversing circumcisions, Quirk.Idaho Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-59774461006546422812016-02-05T19:59:07.776-05:002016-02-05T19:59:07.776-05:00Every time anyone is foolish enough to pop a bottl...Every time anyone is foolish enough to pop a bottle cap with Hitch you're in for an evening of bull shit.<br /><br /><br />Excellent things happened today.<br /><br />Cheers !Idaho Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-41342685093653599302016-02-05T19:56:38.795-05:002016-02-05T19:56:38.795-05:00I knew this thread would degenerate into one of th...I knew this thread would degenerate into one of the dumbest ever.<br /><br />It's an etiological legend about turning away from child sacrifice, which was practiced by the neighbors.<br /><br />It can be seen as also more than that, but that's basic.<br /><br /><br /><br />Man, that Deuce sure takes that circumcision stuff seriously.....Idaho Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-77241258469576175422016-02-05T19:54:56.655-05:002016-02-05T19:54:56.655-05:00wow making it up as you go?
go back and read your...wow making it up as you go?<br /><br />go back and read your previous post.....<br /><br /><br />"My view, and many would agree, is it is meant as a lesson on faith. The lesson is that God is inscrutable. As puny humans we can't hope to understand God's morality. We must simply accept his will and obey. It is the same lesson we are taught in the story of Job. We might not understand God's will but we must obey it willingly."<br /><br />You sir are a moron.<br /><br />You read lines from the translated written Torah and claim to know?<br /><br />Again, go and learn. then come back and have an intelligent conversation..<br /><br /><br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-41344617941871878802016-02-05T19:51:52.440-05:002016-02-05T19:51:52.440-05:00QuirkFri Feb 05, 05:43:00 PM EST
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I don't ne...QuirkFri Feb 05, 05:43:00 PM EST<br />.<br /><br />I don't need to 'learn about Torah' in order to read and understand simple English.<br /><br /><br /><br />Torah is written in Hebrew and Aramaic.<br /><br />You read a reader's digest version and profess to understand...<br /><br />You are a nitwitWhat is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-81838141877853044252016-02-05T19:50:54.513-05:002016-02-05T19:50:54.513-05:00QuirkFri Feb 05, 05:40:00 PM EST
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You, sir, are ...QuirkFri Feb 05, 05:40:00 PM EST<br />.<br /><br />You, sir, are an idiot.<br /><br /><br /><br />Once again you are an arrogant old prick.<br /><br />rather than expand your mind you must prove your correctness and you don't even have a clue what you are talking about.<br /><br />Go and learn, do some investigation and stop making a fool out of yourself.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-38241672879055349842016-02-05T19:48:42.757-05:002016-02-05T19:48:42.757-05:00Jack "I have killed children" Hawkins, y...Jack "I have killed children" Hawkins, your comments are quite amusing. After all you are the one that uses out of context, disinformation and down right lies to express yourself, regardless of your English skills.<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-6173836568022566172016-02-05T19:47:36.176-05:002016-02-05T19:47:36.176-05:00Your arrogance speaks volume of your lack of chara...Your arrogance speaks volume of your lack of character.<br /><br />Rather than simply do some googling and learn something you stoop to insults.<br /><br />Says quite a bit about youWhat is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-49661070155969588732016-02-05T18:55:03.407-05:002016-02-05T18:55:03.407-05:00Yesterday "O"rdure proved he could not w...Yesterday "O"rdure proved he could not write English, today he proves he cannot read it, either.<br /><br />He does have an English comprehension problem, no doubt about it.Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-14348205154868600092016-02-05T18:13:30.994-05:002016-02-05T18:13:30.994-05:00.
Your being Jewish would normally lend you the p....<br /><br />Your being Jewish would normally lend you the presumption of authority when it comes to the Jewish holy book; however, when you offer up that black is actually white you forfeit that presumption.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-69387888920638803462016-02-05T18:05:23.681-05:002016-02-05T18:05:23.681-05:00.
This story is a little long but not unduly so. ....<br /><br />This story is a little long but not unduly so. The link I put up outlines the story as reported in the King James Bible. It is in English. Unless you are saying the translation to English is incorrect or alternatively that the entire Torah was written in code and actually means the exact opposite of what it says, I can only conclude that you are nutz.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-23576390272211874642016-02-05T17:57:37.848-05:002016-02-05T17:57:37.848-05:00.
2. He did NOT kill his son. He killed a RAM.
T....<br /><br /><i>2. He did NOT kill his son. He killed a RAM.</i><br /><br />This is entirely irrelevant to the question of whether Abraham disobeyed God's command<br /><br />1. First, God ordered him to sacrifice his son. He had the knife in his hand and was ready to obey by killing Isaac when God told him to stop, that he had seen enough to know Abraham was ready to obey his order. The intent was there. There is no doubt Abraham was ready to obey God's command.<br /><br />2. Then, based on what he had seen, God reversed himself and issues a SUPERSEDING order telling Abraham not to sacrifice his son. Naturally, Abraham was perfectly willing to obey this second order also.<br /><br />Its crazy to argue that at any point in this story Abraham was disobeying the latest commands he had received from God.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-577680094537922322016-02-05T17:43:39.389-05:002016-02-05T17:43:39.389-05:00.
I don't need to 'learn about Torah'....<br /><br />I don't need to 'learn about Torah' in order to read and understand simple English.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-81347726425305905082016-02-05T17:40:36.331-05:002016-02-05T17:40:36.331-05:00.
You, sir, are an idiot.
The fact that there wa....<br /><br />You, sir, are an idiot.<br /><br />The fact that there was a ram available either through serendipity or the hand of God and that Abraham sacrificed it either out of gratitude or simply as an act of worship is after the fact and irrelevant to the decision making process. The text clearly states that God's promises to Abraham were based on the fact that Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son.<br /><br /><i>10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.<br />11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.<br />12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from me.</i><br /><br />The fact that Abraham was given two conflicting orders from God and was willing to obey them both in the order they were given seems to elude you. To argue that Abraham disobeyed God's orders is absurd. <br /><br />While the implications of this story can be argued about, the actual facts as stated in Genesis 22 are very simple and decipherable to anyone who has passed a high school English Composition class.<br /><br />One doesn't have to be all knowledgeable to know when one is dealing with a guy who is not the sharpest tool in the box.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-2676080168207090242016-02-05T17:04:08.798-05:002016-02-05T17:04:08.798-05:00Quirk, once again.
2 And he said, Take now thy so...Quirk, once again.<br /><br />2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Mori'ah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.<br /><br /><br />Abraham DID not KILL his son, he offered up a RAM instead.<br /><br />Embrace the fact that you are not all knowledgable.<br /><br />Go and learn.<br /><br />Then come back and talk.<br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-6257092445185336752016-02-05T17:02:15.115-05:002016-02-05T17:02:15.115-05:00Quirk, the Scholar states: If I ever do, it sure...Quirk, the Scholar states: If I ever do, it sure as hell won't be wherever you took yours. Might I suggest you take a reading comprehension class.<br /><br /><br /><br />Might I suggest you learn about Torah and what it is before commenting on it?<br /><br />You sound really quite stupid.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-29287434038250438222016-02-05T17:01:16.768-05:002016-02-05T17:01:16.768-05:00quirk the illiterate says:
Christ, WiO, are you t...quirk the illiterate says:<br /><br />Christ, WiO, are you that stupid? He was ready to kill his son. He had the knife in his hand. The intent was there. He would have killed him EXCEPT that God intervened and stopped him and ORDERED him NOT TO KILL HIS SON. After that, had he actually gone ahead and killed his son he would ACTUALLY have been DISOBEYING God. I know its a long passage but anyone who can read ought to be able to get its meaning.<br /><br />1. CHRIST has NOTHING to do with it...<br /><br />2. He did NOT kill his son. He killed a RAM.<br /><br />GO and learn then come back and argue the topic with intelligence.<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-66317846078717015632016-02-05T16:59:35.767-05:002016-02-05T16:59:35.767-05:00QuirkFri Feb 05, 03:40:00 PM EST
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You are readin...QuirkFri Feb 05, 03:40:00 PM EST<br />.<br /><br />You are reading from only 1/2 of the text.<br /><br />Bull. I gave you a link which shows the entirety of Genesis 22. All you had to do is click on the link to see it all.<br /><br />It's not your fault that you do not respect the jewish people or it's scriptures enough to read the entire passage in both the oral and written Torahs.<br /><br />I read the entire passage. I put up the sections addressing the subject of our discussion.<br />Admittedly, I am no Jew but I find it hard to understand how I can 'read' an 'oral' Torah. Also, with regard respecting the Jewish people, at least I respect them enough to capitalize the word Jewish.<br /><br /><br />Except you are dismissive to what you do not understand.<br /><br />Go and learn.<br /><br />Don't be so arrogant. It doesn't become you.<br /><br />You can learn a lot if you put your snide, know it all ego aside.<br /><br />Yes there is an Oral Torah, and yes you can study it and it is written down. <br /><br />But you might want to take a class on it.<br /><br />And no, you don't KNOW shit about what is the Torah. Written and Oral<br /><br />Your mickey mouse Reader's digest VERSION of the Jewish Scriptures is enough to make you dangerous but not a scholar.<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-23264892325144976592016-02-05T16:18:25.742-05:002016-02-05T16:18:25.742-05:00... "desert land; whoever first occupies it a...<i><br />... "desert land; whoever first occupies it acquires ownership." </i><br /><br />Ecept for in Zionist Isael<br /><br /><i>The Israeli government has, to a large extent, continued the Ottoman legal system in regard to land ownership. <br /><br />Thus, today the vast proportion of land within the State of Israel (roughly 93%) is owned and managed either by the Israel Lands Administration (ILA) or the JNF. This figure includes much of such extensive regions as the Negev and the Judean Wilderness (near the Dead Sea), which are sparsely populated. <br /><br /> Jewish settlements in the State of Israel usually are located on lands that are owned by the ILA or the JNF and that have been consigned to each settlement through long-term leases. <br /><br /><b> Less than 7% of the land in the State of Israel is privately owned.</b><br /></i><br />http://elearning.la.psu.edu/jst060/lesson_2/land-ownership<br />Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-8784091567467189342016-02-05T16:15:47.528-05:002016-02-05T16:15:47.528-05:00"A heathen who studies the Torah deserves dea...<i>"A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death … it is our inheritance, not theirs … he is as guilty as one who violates a bethrothed maiden." <br /><br />Glancing at the Jewish Encyclopedia section on "Gentiles" we see that Rabbi Simon ben Yohai's edict is: "The best among the Gentiles deserves to be killed." <br /><br /><br />The Talmudic authority which holds that Gentile property is like unclaimed land in the desert is the Talmud Book of Baba Bathra, Folio 54b, there cited. The passage actually appears on page 222 of the Soncino edition: "Rab Judah said in the name of Samuel: The property of a heathen is on the same footing as desert land; whoever first occupies it acquires ownership." </i><br />Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.com