tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post3992753316555708001..comments2024-03-29T06:35:11.321-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: Netanyahu’s demand that Israel is a Jewish state is either racist or fundamentalist and is objectionable from an American point of view on human rights grounds either way.Deuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger207125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-57253453004474973622014-01-07T06:50:00.774-05:002014-01-07T06:50:00.774-05:00Everyone really recognizes this is true, so we are...Everyone really recognizes this is true, so we are just dancing around the issue. Those who are - the usual suspects here - continually condemning Israel are really seeking her destruction. Farmer Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02392109642256694683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-68000300094606156092014-01-07T06:44:54.681-05:002014-01-07T06:44:54.681-05:00Watch the video here -
http://www.jihadwatch.org/...Watch the video here -<br /><br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/01/palestinian-official-establishing-at-state-within-67-borders-only-a-step-to-destroying-israel-in-sta.htmlFarmer Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02392109642256694683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-42944806060383586612014-01-07T06:42:11.894-05:002014-01-07T06:42:11.894-05:00"Palestinian" official: Establishing a s...<br />"Palestinian" official: Establishing a state within '67 borders only a step to destroying Israel "in stages"<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> "You can't say it to the world. You can say it to yourself." We hear. And yet the useful idiots in Washington refuse to hear. "PA leader: Stages plan to eliminate Israel is basis of PA policy," by Itamar Marcus and Nan Jacques Zilberdik for Palestinian Media Watch, January 6:<br /><br />Senior Palestinian official Abbas Zaki posted on his Facebook page an interview he gave to Syrian TV in which he said the PA will only agree to a treaty with Israel if the Palestinian state is established on the 1967 lines. However, he stressed that '67 lines would only be the beginning. After that, the Palestinians will continue with the stages plan: <br />"Even the most extreme among us, Hamas, or the fighting forces, want a state within the '67 borders. Afterward, we [will] have something to say, because the inspiring idea cannot be achieved all at once. [Rather] in stages."<br /> <br />Click to view<br /><br />In an interview on Al-Jazeera TV in 2011, Zaki also mentioned this PA stages plan and referred to "the inspiring idea," explaining that it means the end of Israel. He said that Mahmoud Abbas shares the goal of eliminating Israel in stages, but that the PA says it only wants a state along the 1967 borders because it is unacceptable politically to say you want to destroy Israel: <br />"You can't say it to the world. You can say it to yourself."<br /> <br />Zaki stressed that the goal is clear-cut because if Israel were to return to the 1967 lines, it certainly could not survive: "Israel will come to an end."<br /><br />This is Zaki's full statement from 2011: <br />"The agreement is based on the borders of June 4 [1967]. While the agreement is on the borders of June 4, the President [Mahmoud Abbas] understands, we understand, and everyone knows that it is impossible to realize the inspiring idea, or the great goal in one stroke. If Israel withdraws from Jerusalem, if Israel uproots the settlements, 650,000 settlers, if Israel removes the (security) fence - what will be with Israel? Israel will come to an end. If I say that I want to remove it from existence, this will be great, great, [but] it is hard. This is not a [stated] policy. You can't say it to the world. You can say it to yourself."<br /><br />[Official PA TV, Sept. 23, 2011]<br /><br />Expressing his refusal to recognize Israel earlier this year during a public lecture, Abbas Zaki started to refer to Israel's Ben Gurion Airport as "Israel's Airport," but then stopped himself and corrected himself: <br />"When Mr. Obama came to the region during his visit, as soon as he arrived at the airport of Isra... [corrects himself], I mean, the airport where the Israelis are. I don't want... [corrects himself] this whole country is ours, and Allah willing, the airport will also return to us."...Farmer Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02392109642256694683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-76531954733031648912014-01-07T03:21:06.796-05:002014-01-07T03:21:06.796-05:00.
Mine was a request for a link. What I got was ....<br /><br />Mine was a request for a link. What I got was a smart ass answer off subject because you wanted me to take sides in some argument between two jerks. If that was actually what you wanted.<br /><br /><i>If I am expected to give links, my preference, I expect everyone to do so. If you do not understand that, you are as dense as a sack hammers. Since that is not the case, you must have something else in mind. I do not care what. You have chosen the wrong horse in this race.</i><br /><br />Spare me.<br /><br />. <br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-71997420686629779352014-01-07T03:15:40.690-05:002014-01-07T03:15:40.690-05:00.
s enough for me... you are against the idea tha....<br /><br /><i>s enough for me... you are against the idea that Jews specifically deserve self determination.</i><br /><br />Where do you come up with this stuff? Two, possible three times today I have stated if the Israelis want self determination they can have it, as a matter of fact, they have had it since 1948. If they want to enforce Zionism, they will do that too.<br /><br />However, I have no obligation to approve of Zionism. While I respect China's right to self-determination I don't approve of the communist system it is built on. While I respected South Africa's right to self-determination, I didn't approve of their system of apartheid. While I respect Saudi Arabia's right to self-determination, I don't approve of the religious fundamentalism their society is built on. None of this means of course that I am looking for genocide of the Chinese, the Saudis, the South Africans or the Israelis.<br /><br />What do you say of the ultra-orthodox Jews in Israel that are opposed to Zionism? What about the groups of young people there that oppose it? What about the American Jews who consider themselves Jews because of religion and ethnicity not politics? It's estimated to be a large number. I've seen estimates that 25% to 30% of Jews worldwide are opposed to Zionism. Do you expect they would enjoy the genocide of the Jews by any means?<br /><br /><i>And yes, that means you would enjoy the genocide of Jews by any means....</i><br /><br />You, sir, are frankly out of your mind.<br /><br />.<br /><br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-167846883225575312014-01-07T02:13:50.222-05:002014-01-07T02:13:50.222-05:00.
You saw no attribution to the Ben Gurion post u....<br /><br /><i>You saw no attribution to the Ben Gurion post until today. Google does not contain the quote because Ben Gurion never made it.</i><br /><br /><br />Of course, I did. <br /><br />Rat, doesn't always provide links on his quotes but he did on that one. I can't attest to the quality of his link but he did provide a link. Most of the quotes he puts up quickly become redundant from the repetition so I usually scroll by the longer ones but I will usually speed read through the shorter ones to see if there was anything new before moving on. I rarely am interested enough to check out the links.<br /><br />.<br /><br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-46611465341364805872014-01-07T02:10:18.239-05:002014-01-07T02:10:18.239-05:00Quirk: I personally am opposed to the idea of Zi...Quirk: I personally am opposed to the idea of Zionism. The concept is foreign to everything I have learned growing up as an American.<br /><br /><br />that's enough for me... you are against the idea that Jews specifically deserve self determination.<br /><br />You are one sick puppy.<br /><br />And yes, that means you would enjoy the genocide of Jews by any means....<br /><br />IMO. <br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-41250085827170686232014-01-07T02:05:47.645-05:002014-01-07T02:05:47.645-05:00For the record, she is smarter than I, many times ...For the record, she is smarter than I, many times smarter, though not 20 times smarter.....<br /><br />:)<br /><br />She is taking a three day exam beginning tomorrow. She got hired for a real paying job at a Max Planck associated hospital in Dresden. Top gal out of fifty candidates. She does everything well.Farmer Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02392109642256694683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-81810193170219794742014-01-07T02:02:53.433-05:002014-01-07T02:02:53.433-05:00Like he attacked my niece, for instance, on learni...Like he attacked my niece, for instance, on learning she was at Max Planck. These two are not of the same species, yet there this ignoramus is immediately attacking someone he doesn't even know solely on the basis she is twenty times smarter than he.Farmer Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02392109642256694683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-51959541945851538972014-01-07T01:57:38.636-05:002014-01-07T01:57:38.636-05:00.
Pathetic. And there you go with the asshole thi....<br /><br /><i>Pathetic. And there you go with the asshole thing again. Grow up, Princess.</i><br /><br />Take your whining to management.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-78944174751145780722014-01-07T01:52:43.205-05:002014-01-07T01:52:43.205-05:00Mark Twain also recommended we not tell the Jews h...Mark Twain also recommended we not tell the Jews how smart they are, just as horses should never be told how strong they are, as neither would ever again allow themselves to be ridden.<br /><br />This is what pisses desert rat off about the Jews - and he always attacks his betters.Farmer Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02392109642256694683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-20414857522286642072014-01-07T01:26:35.601-05:002014-01-07T01:26:35.601-05:00.
I read the text of Resolution 242. I have also....<br /><br />I read the text of Resolution 242. I have also read quotes and articles on the subject that describe the discussions that went into the wording. There is no doubt in my mind that the word 'the' was left out intentionally in order to provide more flexibility for the negotiations towards a final agreement between the appropriate parties.<br /><br />However, the reason it was set up that way was because there was a basic assumption that they were dealing with rational players who had an intention to work towards a negotiated settlement. Now, 45 years later, it is obvious to everyone that there was never the intention nor the will to get a deal done.<br /><br />Just as there is no chance of getting a deal done now, there was no chance of getting a deal done then primarily due to the credulity of the deal's brokers.<br /><br />.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-69403350354186890632014-01-07T01:14:26.959-05:002014-01-07T01:14:26.959-05:00I don't understand your optimism," Ben-Gu...<br />I don't understand your optimism," Ben-Gurion declared<br /><br />.<b> "Why should the Arabs make peace? <br />If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel.<br /><br /> That is natural: we have taken their country.</b>"<br /><br />http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion<br />David Ben Gurionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-6661736732610643182014-01-07T01:11:15.703-05:002014-01-07T01:11:15.703-05:00The land, the villages, the mountains, the roads a...<br />The land, the villages, the mountains, the roads are in their hands.<b> The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, </b><br />whereas we want to come here and settle down,<br /> and in their view we want to take away from them their country, <br />while we are still outside. <br /><br />They defend bases which are theirs, <br />which is easier than conquering new bases... <br />let us not think that the terror is a result of Hitler's or Mussolini's propaganda — <br />this helps but the source of opposition is there among the Arabs. <br /> <br /> ○ Address at the Mapai Political Committee (7 June 1938) as quoted in Flapan, Simha, 1979.<br /><br />David Ben Gurionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-70156238254306022282014-01-07T01:09:27.439-05:002014-01-07T01:09:27.439-05:00Within a system which denies the existence of basi...<br />Within a system which denies the existence of basic human rights,<br /> fear tends to be the order of the day. <br /><br />Fear of imprisonment, fear of torture, fear of death, fear of losing friends, family, property or means of livelihood, fear of poverty, fear of isolation, fear of failure. <br /><br />A most insidious form of fear is that which masquerades as common sense or even wisdom, condemning as foolish, reckless, insignificant or futile the small, daily acts of courage which help to preserve man's self-respect and inherent human dignity. <br /><br />It is not easy for a people conditioned by fear under the iron rule of the principle that might is right to free themselves from the enervating miasma of fear.<br /><br /> Yet even under the most crushing state machinery courage rises up again and again, for fear is not the natural state of civilized man.<br /><br />― Aung San Suu Kyi, <i>Freedom from Fear <br /></i>Aung San Suu Kyinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-44017353268820469032014-01-07T01:06:26.933-05:002014-01-07T01:06:26.933-05:00.
IMO, of course.
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..<br /><br />IMO, of course.<br /><br />:)<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-61640643836465609012014-01-07T01:05:56.208-05:002014-01-07T01:05:56.208-05:00.
Nonsense.
The subject at hand on this stream i....<br /><br />Nonsense.<br /><br />The subject at hand on this stream is Zionism and Bibi's demand that the Palestinians agree to recognize Israel as a Jewish state before there is a peace settlement on the West Bank. My opinion on that matter is as relevant as yours since we are both on the same blog discussing the same issue.<br /><br />My opinion on it is that the issue itself is 'irrelevant' since there is no way that there will ever be a peace settlement. If Zionism weren't an issue there would be plenty more that Bibi could use to queer the deal. For that reason, I don't really give a shit about it. <br /><br />However, what is relevant (at least to this discussion and at least as much as yours) is my opinion on it.<br /><br />That opinion remains,<br /><br />- The demand to 'recognize Israel as a Jewish state' is a non starter but not a deal breaker because there is no deal to break.<br /><br />- It is the height of presumption for Bibi to demand that anyone other than those he governs accept Israel as 'Jewish state'. If someone wants to do it, that's their business.<br /><br />- If the Israelis want a Jewish state they can have one and any repercussions that flow from that.<br /><br />- I believe anyone who equates anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism is a moron.<br /><br />- I personally am opposed to the idea of Zionism. The concept is foreign to everything I have learned growing up as an American.<br /><br />- IMO, anyone who thinks that because a person disagrees with him on this subject that person would enjoy or cheer if Jews were gunned down by machine guns is one sick puppy. There is no other way to describe it.<br /><br />You and your buddy Bob are irrational.<br /><br />.<br />-Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-17253789338749936012014-01-07T01:04:09.555-05:002014-01-07T01:04:09.555-05:00From threatening to "End Western Civilization...<br /><b><br /><br />From threatening to "End Western Civilization" to ...<br />... fabricating false headings on a "Cut & Paste"</b><br /><br />How the 'mighty' have fallen!<br /><br /><b>"Spengler's Laws": "When a nation is reduced to selling its women, it's lost."</b><br />hat tip: allen <br /><br /><br /><br />bobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-50156496191664546712014-01-07T01:02:45.937-05:002014-01-07T01:02:45.937-05:00The search for scapegoats is essentially an abnega...<br />The search for scapegoats is essentially an abnegation of responsibility:<br /><br /> it indicates an inability to assess honestly and intelligently the true nature of the problems which lie at the root of social and economic difficulties and a lack of resolve in grappling with them.<br /><br />― Aung San Suu Kyi,<i> Freedom from Fear </i><br />Aung San Suu Kyinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-18328447863086686142014-01-07T00:58:59.591-05:002014-01-07T00:58:59.591-05:00Quirk,
If I google, " All things are mortal ...Quirk,<br /><br />If I google, " All things are mortal but the Jews", tiny snippet instantly takes me to Mark Twain.<br /><br /><i>If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one quarter of one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous puff of star dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way. Properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk.<br /><br />His contributions to the world’s list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine and abstruse learning are also very out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world in all ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself and be excused for it. The Egyptians, the Babylonians and the Persians rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greeks and Romans followed and made a vast noise, and they were gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, and have vanished.<br /><br />The Jew saw them all, survived them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities, of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert but aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jews; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?<br /><br />--Mark Twain, September 1897</i><br /><br /><br />If I google, Why should the Arabs make peace? <br />If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel, I do not get a quote <b> by </b> Ben Gurion.<br /><br />I did not call desert rat a liar and a racist because he did not provide a link to his alleged quote of Ben Gurion. I called him that because there is no such quote. <br /><br />I did call desert rat a liar and a racist for his idiotic claim, answering my question to Jenny, that the had paid contract fees to Israel of $110 billion USD since 1977. Nothing of the sort happened and he knew it.<br /><br />If I am expected to give links, my preference, I expect everyone to do so. If you do not understand that, you are as dense as a sack hammers. Since that is not the case, you must have something else in mind. I do not care what. You have chosen the wrong horse in this race. <br /><br /><br />allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15605114251615293411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-79676262461970444622014-01-07T00:43:55.677-05:002014-01-07T00:43:55.677-05:00Bob,
I believe he was calling me a liar, racist, ...Bob,<br /><br />I believe he was calling me a liar, racist, and asshole.<br /><br />Meh...allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15605114251615293411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-84128024037370801082014-01-07T00:38:30.528-05:002014-01-07T00:38:30.528-05:00Ah, Quirk's momentarily in a bad mood for some...Ah, Quirk's momentarily in a bad mood for some reason or other. I think he had a hard holidays season. He was missing here for a long time, and moody as hell when he got back. He called me a Hick, not even realizing I would take it as a compliment coming from a city slicker, which is unlike him. Quirk is not a liar or racist or an asshole. He does exaggerate sometimes though, and is often wrong on the issues. And when in a good mood he has a wonderful sense of humor. He's just off his feed.<br /><br /><br /><br />Farmer Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02392109642256694683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-24306530910465690372014-01-07T00:34:40.659-05:002014-01-07T00:34:40.659-05:00.
I denigrate Americans whose sole purpose is to ....<br /><br />I denigrate Americans whose sole purpose is to promote the policies of a foreign country.<br /><br />If you want to call me un-American for that, I can live with it.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-52836061048924512112014-01-07T00:28:27.096-05:002014-01-07T00:28:27.096-05:00You saw no attribution to the Ben Gurion post unti...You saw no attribution to the Ben Gurion post until today. Google does not contain the quote because Ben Gurion never made it.<br /><br />Take a hike.allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15605114251615293411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-31388902844519106662014-01-07T00:26:54.229-05:002014-01-07T00:26:54.229-05:00The birth of Israel in 1947 was celebrated as the ...The birth of Israel in 1947 was celebrated as the salvation for the Jews after their near decimation in the holocaust. Most of the Western world, as well as the Soviet Union, felt that creating Israel would absolve them of the guilt they felt because of their mistreatment of their Jews. That included France, Britain, Germany, as well as the United States. Although the original Zionists considered several other locations to create a Jewish state, they decided on Palestine because of its ancestral relationship to the Jews. At that time, no significant resistance from the Palestinians was expected; the Arabs were just recovering from decades of Ottoman domination and were still under the thumb of British and French colonialism. It seemed that the price of forcing Israel upon the Palestinians would be relatively cheap when compared with the great good it would do for the long-oppressed Jews.<br /><br />Since then, however, the world has changed in many significant ways. Now, the costs associated with the support and maintenance of the Jewish state greatly outweigh the benefits. Since the creation of Israel, the Middle East has been literally in flames. Today, most of the problems afflicting the world can be traced, either directly or indirectly, to the Middle East and to Israel. The cost, in lives and material, of supporting and defending Israel has been incalculable and continues to mount. The future looks even more ominous. The world is getting tired of the problems caused by Israel and its continued occupation of Palestinian lands.<br /><br />In the last 60 some years, the Israelis abused the support they received; they used it mostly to suppress and humiliate the Palestinians, to bully and attack their neighbors, and, ultimately to mercilessly create an apartheid state in Palestine. In occupied Palestine, the Jews have become a master race that is on a lofty and well-protected pedestal. Today, Israel is a violent occupying power that is continually pleading to the rest of the world that it is a victim and is under enormous threat.<br /><br />Use the link to my name for the balance of my postSam Amerhttp://www.opednews.com/articles/Let-us-face-it-It-was-a-m-by-Sam-Amer-Inequality_Israel-Attacks-Eu-Diplomats_Israel-Samson-Option_Israel-Steve-140104-145.htmlnoreply@blogger.com