tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post3259541059209751573..comments2024-03-28T06:32:24.557-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: The ABC's of democracy in the ME. Now the PKK is a US Problem.Deuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger116125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-20475448396461223632007-10-24T13:54:00.000-04:002007-10-24T13:54:00.000-04:00Have at it, Cutler. Just don't quote me, I don't w...Have at it, Cutler. Just don't quote me, I don't want to be reminded of the dumber things I've said.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-77926576776413523472007-10-24T02:34:00.000-04:002007-10-24T02:34:00.000-04:00Actually now that I've re-read it, it sounds profo...Actually now that I've re-read it, it sounds profoundly stupid. I need to go to bed. :PJackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10089498195545182330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-71570574733601010102007-10-24T02:29:00.000-04:002007-10-24T02:29:00.000-04:00Only if they're quotes from Habu.Only if they're quotes from Habu.samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08208259520563205356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-77399731568038743722007-10-24T02:23:00.000-04:002007-10-24T02:23:00.000-04:00Question to everyone, would anyone mind if I start...Question to everyone, would anyone mind if I started posting a quote of the day in the comments section?<BR/><BR/>Don't want to be presumptuous or pretentious, but I've always been a big collector and wouldn't mind a place to share some of them. Comical, political, or daffy...Guys can boo me off the stage if you don't like them.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10089498195545182330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-56928770430263906762007-10-24T01:15:00.000-04:002007-10-24T01:15:00.000-04:00The god--"passes the fruit of immortality to a mor...The god--"passes the fruit of immortality to a mortal woman"--that is a break through of understanding. (if it is right, of course:))Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-77400827390330954962007-10-24T01:05:00.000-04:002007-10-24T01:05:00.000-04:00I agree with that, and I am kind of a socialist, a...I agree with that, and I am kind of a socialist, at heart, that is to say, I would like, I think! to live in a real Christian community. But I think we best protect ourselves from true insanity. and try to make a go of it from there. Ash would gasp, if he knew what I really thought, I might put him on a tractor for a weekend!!!Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-72628199904238265182007-10-24T00:56:00.000-04:002007-10-24T00:56:00.000-04:00Spunck up, Rat!! Like Joseph Smith says, you too c...Spunck up, Rat!! Like Joseph Smith says, you too can become a god!!<BR/><BR/>In a more serious vein, I think Joseph Campbell is a great writer and thinker, and the moslems would would benefit greatly if they read him, which they will not do.<BR/><BR/>Best protect ourselves, and go our own way in life. You not dictating to me , and I not to you. But defend the good country where we agree to do that!!Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-58059200589804057592007-10-24T00:52:00.000-04:002007-10-24T00:52:00.000-04:00Well, bob, amongst the living, there is one hell o...Well, bob, amongst the living, there is one hell of a spread<BR/><BR/><I>The latest real estate development by Donald Trump came with his announcement of Trump Ocean Club, International Hotel & Tower. The project is to be built on an artificial peninsula on the Panama Bay and will cover an area of 140,000 sq. ft. The property will be 855 ft. tall and the total construction area will be more than 2.4 million square feet. The $220-million development will offer many high-end amenities including a 45,000 square-foot casino, spa, pool deck, a private beach club on Contadora island in the bay, a 24-hour yacht club consisting of 500 one, two and three bedroom condominiums, as well as 300 hotel rooms, which will also be sold as furnished condominium properties. The construction on the ultra-luxury property should begin by the end of the year and the development is expected to be completed by 2009. And, as for the pricing, the one to three bedroom condominium units will be priced at $250,000 to $450,000 and the hotel condominium properties will be priced for around $250,000.</I><BR/><BR/>Where 16% of the country gets by on a dollar a day.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-56496385091595406402007-10-24T00:46:00.000-04:002007-10-24T00:46:00.000-04:00But that's the point. Always something more. Not t...But that's the point. Always something more. Not the same. Life. Good. Like when you felt good, when young. Always. Growing. Becoming. Everlasting. Glory. Hard times. Death. Defeat. Growth. Like the Mormons.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-77213638076942596972007-10-24T00:41:00.000-04:002007-10-24T00:41:00.000-04:00Who'd want to live forever?Then you'd never know w...Who'd want to live forever?<BR/><BR/>Then you'd never know what happens, next.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-9443208548794096372007-10-24T00:36:00.000-04:002007-10-24T00:36:00.000-04:00the god--'passes the fruit of deathlessness to a m...the god--'passes the fruit of deathlessness to a mortal woman'--a gift, to be realized.<BR/><BR/>And not necessarily in Malibu.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-49659825632603767992007-10-24T00:34:00.000-04:002007-10-24T00:34:00.000-04:00Third National Report of Human Development of the ...<I>Third National Report of Human Development of the Program of the United Nations (PNUD) has irritated the government again, this time the Minister of Social Development Maria Roquebert. Yesterday at 3:20 pm the ex-President of the Panamanian Association of Business Executives Enrique de Obarrio was giving a speech during the Annual Conference of Company Executives (CADE 2007), and made reference to the numbers included in the PNUD report which say that in Panama <B>1.4 million people are excluded from the benefits of progress, that 4 out of 10 Panamanians live in poverty, and that 16% of the population lives on less than $1.00 per day.</B> De Obarrio said that although the government does not like this reality, the public should be made aware of this report. But while he was speaking and to his surprise Minister Roquebert, who was seated in the audience, interrupted and shouted "That's not true..." The minister, visibly irritated, said that the numbers in the report are from 2003 and 2004, failures she consideres to be the fault of previous governments. Then Roquebert turned her back and left the room to the shocked stare of all present. <BR/></I><BR/>There are about 3 million folks in Panama, 16%, around 500,000 people?<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.czbrats.com/Photos/darien.jpg" REL="nofollow"> Darien housing</A> doesn't use much civil infrastructure.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.christianmedical.org/Photos/ElSaltoVillage.jpg" REL="nofollow">Little matters</A> the cost of petroleum in the El Salto Village<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.fortogden.com/fs_0939.jpg" REL="nofollow">Living on the coast</A> is not always expensive<BR/><BR/>Though at the top end, Mr Trump is <A HREF="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.condohotelcenter.com/images/trump-panama-building.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.condohotelcenter.com/condo-hotels/non-us/trump-panama.htm&h=465&w=300&sz=34&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=PPeznu3j6cCISM:&tbnh=128&tbnw=83&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtrump%2Bpanama%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GFRD_enUS224US225%26sa%3DN" REL="nofollow">building a right nice</A> place to live<BR/><BR/>Glad it was entertaining for you, sam.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-15912804977702749642007-10-24T00:31:00.000-04:002007-10-24T00:31:00.000-04:00"passing the fruit of deathlessness to a mortal wo..."passing the fruit of deathlessness to a mortal woman"--that's good.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-68334600378137378172007-10-24T00:00:00.000-04:002007-10-24T00:00:00.000-04:00I'm with you Cutler.I'm with you Cutler.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-60201061292033679932007-10-23T23:56:00.000-04:002007-10-23T23:56:00.000-04:00Greatest document in human history, bar none. Part...Greatest document in human history, bar none. Particularly in tandem with the Declaration of Independence and Federalist Papers.<BR/><BR/>Up to me I'd dedicate at least a year long class to them alone. Then another to economics (which I'm admittedly weak on myself, especially international). Anyone has any good book suggestions I'd love them.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10089498195545182330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-11653594013838237912007-10-23T23:50:00.000-04:002007-10-23T23:50:00.000-04:00These damned monotheisms are a hard meme to crack,...These damned monotheisms are a hard meme to crack, one must admit.<BR/><BR/>Take heart in the Constitution of the United States of America.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-60569170661175276512007-10-23T23:46:00.000-04:002007-10-23T23:46:00.000-04:00Sam, you can blame Adam and Eve for making you wor...Sam, you can blame Adam and Eve for making you worry so damned much about death.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-32125547384905971892007-10-23T23:44:00.000-04:002007-10-23T23:44:00.000-04:00Been watching the Rat/Cutler dance today. Great s...Been watching the Rat/Cutler dance today. Great stuff. Thank you.samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08208259520563205356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-19086672981733095092007-10-23T23:43:00.000-04:002007-10-23T23:43:00.000-04:00So I can blame Adam and Eve for my mortality. Gre...So I can blame Adam and Eve for my mortality. Great. Thanks alot guys. You really messed that one up.samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08208259520563205356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-84795958369671827232007-10-23T23:34:00.000-04:002007-10-23T23:34:00.000-04:00"that is life in the garden of this world"..."that is life in the garden of this world"...Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-44640473351506641132007-10-23T23:32:00.000-04:002007-10-23T23:32:00.000-04:00Well, I know enough to not take myself too serious...Well, I know enough to not take myself too seriously, Aloha Akbar!!Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-71970383512161024022007-10-23T23:27:00.000-04:002007-10-23T23:27:00.000-04:00"To a Panamanian or Nico that is living on less th...<I>"To a Panamanian or Nico that is living on less than a dollar a day, $12 gasoline won't make a lot of difference. Perhaps there will be less "trickle down", they'll have to get by on fify cents.<BR/>But folks that have nothing have little to lose.<BR/>People that have a lot, want more. Now that US manufacturing has been off shored, the US is dependent upon those "third world" countries for much of our consumables."</I><BR/><BR/>Woouldn't they still have to deal with the effects on public utilities, i.e. heating, water purification, etc, etc. In some of these particularly statist third-world countries that can be a lot of what gets someone through the day. If there isn't much to fall, there also isn't much of a cushion to personal survival, yes?Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10089498195545182330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-14565379128650714682007-10-23T23:26:00.000-04:002007-10-23T23:26:00.000-04:00You have it already, within you now, Campbell says...You have it already, within you now, Campbell says, pointing out the older myths.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-84987095821944040402007-10-23T23:22:00.000-04:002007-10-23T23:22:00.000-04:00Talking about the Jews and the Arabs, to me, final...Talking about the Jews and the Arabs, to me, finally, you just have to choose sides. I'm with the Jews. For all sorts of reasons.<BR/><BR/>But I think they are all wrong, as Christians too.<BR/><BR/>"Essentially the same, or at least a like, idea is suggested in certain early Mesopotamian seals, some of which are of about the date of the Pyramid <BR/>Texts. Figure 14, for instance, shows a devotee approaching the altar of the Lord of the ttree of Life--his right hand extended in worship.The gracious god, in return, proffers the cup of ambrosial drink, drawn from the fruit or sap of the treee, which bestows that gift of immortality which, centuries later, <I>was to be denied to Adam and Eve.</I> The god is horned, like the moon above his cup: <I> for the moon is the sign celestial of the ever enduring resurrection.</I> As Lord of the Tides of the Womb, forever waxing and waning, it carries--like life--its own death within it; yet, also, its victory over death. In Figure 15 we see its crescent again. However, thetree, this time, is attended by the dual apparition of a goddessknown as Gula-Bau, whose later, Classical counterparts, Dememter and Prsephone, were the goddesses, without peer, of both the Orphic and the Eleusian mysteries. In this ancienct Baylonian seak if c, 1750-1550B.C. the dual goddesses of plains of life and of death is passing the fruit of deathlessness to a mortal woman appraching from the left. Figure 16, from an early Sumerian seal, c. 2500 B.C., shows the god and goddesstogether, Lord and Lady of the Tree, in the company, however, of the Serpent, not the moon: for as the moon sheds death in the figure of its shadowtheserpent its slough, to be born again of itself. These are equivalent symbols, heavenly and earthly, of the ever dying, ever living Being of beings that is Life in the garen of this world."<BR/><BR/>Joseph Campbell<BR/><BR/>Godammit, when I try to type a long entry, a make a mistake, I can't just correct it , but seem to have to go back all the way to the beginning --why is that?<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I think this says something important. I wish they would all give up the absolute crap they have gotten into.<BR/><BR/>He says, 'the tree of immortal life was denied to Adam and Eve' in that mythology. There is the mistake, right there.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-81791983440876011082007-10-23T23:19:00.000-04:002007-10-23T23:19:00.000-04:00In '73 the prices spiked when supply from OPEC was...In '73 the prices spiked when supply from OPEC was cut off.<BR/><BR/>The Sauds had amble capacity to continue selling a $3USD per barrel, but discovered they held a strong enough market position to dictate price.<BR/><BR/>The comparison to today is that supplies could be cut, by a shooting war, that could disrupt the supply side in such a way that it could not be turned back on, quickly.<BR/><BR/>To a Panamanian or Nico that is living on less than a dollar a day, $12 gasoline won't make a lot of difference. Perhaps there will be less "trickle down", they'll have to get by on fify cents. <BR/>But folks that have nothing have little to lose. <BR/>People that have a lot, want more. Now that US manufacturing has been off shored, the US is dependent upon those "third world" countries for much of our consumables.<BR/><BR/>It'd be an economic shock like none seen before, in any of our life times. Unless some of you are over 80, but it could be even worse than the "Great Depression", the fall being from so much higher, comparatively.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.com