tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post2836598835328655604..comments2024-03-28T21:41:52.558-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: The Budding US Political Fruit of AIPAC, Netanyahu and The GOP Likuds Force: The Republicans and The Lobby: Screwed TogetherDeuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-45526281953943017222015-03-21T14:33:41.842-04:002015-03-21T14:33:41.842-04:00.
A silly question as the agreement with Iran wou....<br /><br />A silly question as the agreement with Iran would not be a formal treaty.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-6318346816603927002015-03-21T14:27:21.455-04:002015-03-21T14:27:21.455-04:00.
Whoops, forgot the initial >>
..<br /><br />Whoops, forgot the initial >><br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-79528671982851022172015-03-21T14:25:41.928-04:002015-03-21T14:25:41.928-04:00.
Is Bozo just totally incompetent or
Is it inte....<br /><br /><i>Is Bozo just totally incompetent or<br /><br />Is it intentional ?<br /><br />Quirk has affirmed it is 'libelous' for anyone to suggest the latter.</i><br /><br />You flaming nitwit, don't you even bother reading the shit you put up here?<br /><br />Meir-Levi didn't accuse Obama of be incompetent. Hell, I've accused Obama of being incompetant.<br /><br />Meir-Levi accused Obama of wanting the jihadists to win, that he wants to destroy western civilization, that he is on the side of America's enemies, and that he is a traitor. The fact that all of that translate in the miasma that is your mind that Obama is incompetent is telling.<br /><br />.<br /><br /><br /><br />What other explanation can there be other than that he wants the Jihadists to win?<br /><br />What other explanation can there be but that he actually wants Iran to achieve nuclear capacity, to surround Sunni Islam in the Fertile Crescent, to reign as a supreme regional hegemon, armed with atomic weapons, controlling the Straits of Hormuz, and equipped to fulfill the jihadist dream of obliterating Israel and annihilating another 6,000,000 Jews?<br /><br />What other explanation can there be but that he does not merely sympathize with Islamic fascism, but that he is at one with the ideologically driven psychotic murderers who seek to destroy all of western civilization and replace it with the 7th century barbarism that they call “true Islam”?<br /><br />What other explanation can there be but that our president is fighting on the side of our enemies, and that he is, therefore, committing treason?<<Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-26732610661718865932015-03-21T14:12:11.724-04:002015-03-21T14:12:11.724-04:00How many here support having the United States Sen...How many here support having the United States Senate vote, as they have not only a right, but a duty to do, on the coming 'arms control' treaty with Iran ?<br /><br />I do.<br /><br />Step up and declare yourselves.<br /><br />Yes<br /><br />or<br /><br />NoCharltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-59081797767988306632015-03-21T13:58:30.762-04:002015-03-21T13:58:30.762-04:00Draws multiple standing ovations...
'Going to ...Draws multiple standing ovations...<br />'Going to be looking at him a lot harder now'...<br />'I like leader that's inspiring'...<br />'Concerned' about Clinton...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />O'MALLEY FIRES UP IOWA ..................Drudge<br /><br /><br /><br />Whoever this totally unknown may be, it's hardly possible he could be worse than Hillary, who should be in prison, if God's great creation had any justice in it.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-35244723032930186462015-03-21T13:49:25.125-04:002015-03-21T13:49:25.125-04:00Our Napoleon on the Potomac has the middle east to...Our Napoleon on the Potomac has the middle east totally fucked up now.<br /><br />I was prescient.<br /><br />I said when he was first elected a disaster was in the making.<br /><br />So the question is:<br /><br />Is Bozo just totally incompetent or<br /><br />Is it intentional ?<br /><br />Quirk has affirmed it is 'libelous' for anyone to suggest the latter.<br /><br />Quirk sometimes comes across as being as innocently naive as young Noble Ash. Which is odd, as Q is a 'man of the world' for sure.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-47047989950156351292015-03-21T13:44:13.524-04:002015-03-21T13:44:13.524-04:00The 'two state solution' will never work.
...The 'two state solution' will never work.<br /><br />Martha Gellhorn was right decades ago.<br /><br />All they do is hate.<br /><br />You can't build a state out of that. Not for long anyway.<br /><br />Sisi - NOT Sistani, Ash, Sisi - has offered the haters some addition land west of Gaza as a homeland. They should take it.<br /><br />They could all go hate together there.<br /><br />If 'Palestine' were populated by Swedes, or Swiss, or Canadians or Hindus a two state solution would be perfectly possible.<br /><br />These groups are not out to genocide the Jews.<br />Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-75752153346487803382015-03-21T13:36:39.119-04:002015-03-21T13:36:39.119-04:00Thank you, Quirk, that IS a compliment.
Thank you, Quirk, that IS a compliment.<br /><br />Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-91926255014463492082015-03-21T12:25:24.025-04:002015-03-21T12:25:24.025-04:00U.S. officials made it clear this week that the Ob...U.S. officials made it clear this week that the Obama administration is reassessing its policies in a number of areas in which commitment to a two-state solution is required. One of them is the protection Washington has long provided Israel when Security Council resolutions critical of Israel are voted on. In most cases, the United States uses it veto power as a permanent member to annul such resolutions.<br /><br />Now, Mr. Kurtzer said, it’s possible that resolutions could pass that were unthinkable just a few weeks ago: condemning Israel for settlement construction or for heavy-handed security action, for instance, or setting a deadline for Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank or embracing the borders of a Palestinian state.<br /><br />While Mr. Obama assured Mr. Netanyahu in a brief phone call Thursday that nothing will stop U.S. military support for Israel, a White House spokesman told reporters that the U.S.-Israel Strategic Partnership is something that is being reassessed, since it hinges specifically on a two-state solution for resolving the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.<br /><br />Safeguarding security has been one of the accomplishments of the Palestinian Authority, allowing for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from Palestinian-populated areas of the West Bank. PA security forces routinely round up Hamas and Islamic Jihad suspects to prevent attacks.<br /><br />This security is something the PA has said it will suspend unless Israel resumes the transfer of Palestinian tax revenues. It also is something that could be dropped more permanently as a means of pressuring Israel.<br /><br />“The whole question of security co-ordination and ties to Israel depends on the establishment of a Palestinian state,” said Mr. Rajoub, who served as head of preventive security under Yasser Arafat.<br /><br />“The [Israeli] right needs to understand that it will not receive security as long as there is no peace.”<br /><br />Watch also for Palestinians to increase their diplomatic efforts, especially in Europe. Already the European Union has recommended a number of measures to curb the sale of products from West Bank Israeli companies. If the EU, like the U.S., now believes Israel has dropped the two-state solution, its members will likely be willing to go further.<br /><br />The next step may be for European governments to adopt some of the provisions advocated by the “boycott, divestment and sanctions” movement aimed at all Israelis and their government.<br /><br />The United States, too, may tighten the financial screws, perhaps by ending tax benefits for donations to Israeli charitable organizations that operate in the West Bank.<br /><br />Even Canada may want to review its very pro-Israel policies. While Mr. Netanyahu’s clarification Thursday may satisfy the government, officials in Ottawa have made it clear that the two-state solution – the creation of an independent Palestinian state, alongside Israel – is long-standing Canadian policy.<br /><br />Mr. Rajoub, the Fatah official, is defiant.<br /><br />“We are not going to wave a white flag,” he said. “The right does not scare us, but only hurts Israel and regional stability.<br /><br />“If the new government in Israel continues its previous policies, then it will lead to conflict,” he added. “There will be a Palestinian state whether Netanyahu wants one or not.”"<br /><br />http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/one-misstep-closer-to-a-palestinian-state/article23571762/Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688752302081088907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-63336850621435485952015-03-21T12:24:50.732-04:002015-03-21T12:24:50.732-04:00"Election win for Netanyahu and one misstep c..."Election win for Netanyahu and one misstep closer to a Palestinian state<br /> <br />PATRICK MARTIN <br />The Globe and Mail<br />Published Friday, Mar. 20 2015, 8:26 PM EDT<br /><br />When Benjamin Netanyahu was quoted earlier this week saying there would be no Palestinian state on his watch, he may have thought he was consolidating right-wing support for his Likud party and keeping those irresponsible lefties in the Labour Party from coming to power.<br /><br />The impact of his tactics, however, has been to trigger a potentially debilitating backlash from the U.S. administration and to jump-start a Palestinian campaign for international recognition. Rather than set back the cause of a Palestinian state, his measures have brought such a state closer.<br /><br />“Netanyahu’s manoeuvre was probably the best possible thing to happen as far as the Palestinians are concerned,” said Daniel Kurtzer, a former U.S. ambassador to Israel and Egypt and now a professor of Middle East studies at Princeton University. “Their diplomatic path is now clear.”<br /><br />A leading Palestinian politician made the same point. “It’s wonderful for us,” said Jibril Rajoub, secretary general of the Fatah Central Committee, speaking to The Times of Israel.<br /><br />“This will just prove to the international community that we have no one to speak to on the Israeli side.”<br /><br />Not even Mr. Netanyahu’s clarification on Thursday, saying he still supports a two-state solution “if circumstances change,” could stanch the bleeding.<br /><br />“The White House does not believe Netanyahu has reversed course at all,” said Mr. Kurtzer, who has advised U.S. President Barack Obama in the past. “He [Mr. Netanyahu] will have to do more, say more, take action to demonstrate his commitment to a two-state solution … if he’s going to undo the damage he’s done.”<br /><br />Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said, in an e-mail: “Netanyahu was never a supporter of the two-state solution. His campaign in 1996 was based on destroying the Oslo Agreement. Now … he continues building settlements which makes the two-state solution impossible.”<br /><br />If that is the international perception, the Palestinians have a tremendous opportunity to advance their cause.<br /><br />“The Palestinian leadership is looking to move on two tracks,” said Canadian-born Diana Buttu, an Arab with Israeli citizenship living in Ramallah, who was an adviser to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas – the “international recognition” track and the “punitive” track, meaning ways intended to pressure Israel to change policies.<br /><br />There’s been a lot of talk about Palestinians taking Israel to the International Criminal Court – Palestinian membership in that body becomes formal on April 1 – but the process to prosecute someone there takes years. It also would cost the Palestinian Authority dearly.<br /><br />Already the Israelis are refusing to transfer tax revenue to the PA – about $120-million (U.S.) a month – unless the PA withdraws its ICC complaint.<br /><br />And the U.S. Congress recently enacted a provision that will cut off $400-million a year to the Palestinians if the PA takes its case to the next level.<br /><br />There are quicker and less expensive ways for the Palestinians to go – to the UN Security Council, for one.<br /><br />Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688752302081088907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-20356891164370104192015-03-21T12:21:49.291-04:002015-03-21T12:21:49.291-04:00True enough. However, how can you say it is withou...<i>True enough. However, how can you say it is without precedent when it has been going on for decades?</i><br /><br />I cannot think of another country, great or paltry that has pulled off what the Israeli Lobby has done. I know how they did it and the timing and duration is not the point. The deed is.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-36076373910595763832015-03-21T12:20:04.394-04:002015-03-21T12:20:04.394-04:00.
Bob, that frontpagemag article you put up on th....<br /><br />Bob, that <i>frontpagemag</i> article you put up on the last stream was the most libelous, disgusting piece I have ever seen posted here and that is saying a lot.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-10157000482725746462015-03-21T12:17:23.757-04:002015-03-21T12:17:23.757-04:00Obama was handed the Neocon shit sandwich from the...Obama was handed the Neocon shit sandwich from the moron George Bush. Obama made a huge error by ever returning the first salute. No one advised him otherwise. I certainly would have explained to him never to do it. Let them know who is boss. They conned him with Libya and he foolishly almost repeated the catastrophe in Syria.<br /><br />The UK & US public said no. He has learned. He saw the brutal and cynical murderous carnage dished out on the Palestinians by Netanyahu. He sees the continuous demands and intimidation to sink the US into a disastrous war with Iran.<br /><br />The Israelis don’t give a shit about anyone except themselves. I respect that and want to return the favor.<br />Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-31088186682899095862015-03-21T12:17:03.154-04:002015-03-21T12:17:03.154-04:00.
It is wrong. It is without precedent and it nee....<br /><br /><i>It is wrong. It is without precedent and it needs to be broken. It is time to put the US back into The US Congress.</i><br /><br />True enough. However, how can you say it is without precedent when it has been going on for decades?<br /><br /><i>Remarkably, the only party that has the courage to begin the reform is the Democrats</i>.<br /><br />I disagree. It's a right of passage for everyone in Washington, GOP and Dems, staff, families,key party leaders in and out of government. Check in Google and find out who in this Congress since 2000 has visited Israel, how many from both parties attend the AIPAC conferences.<br /><br />I share your hope that we have reached a tipping point but I doubt it. The Dems (some of the Dems) have a bug up their ass right now because of the insult to Obama. However, I believe they take it as a personal insult not an insult to the US. It is likely something that can be smoothed over with the appropriate amount of baksheesh.<br /><br />When legislation is pushed at the end of the month to add additional sanctions it will likely be a bipartisan bill.<br /><br />As for the GOP, they have once again not only proven that they lack the ability to govern but also for the most part that they are dumb as rocks.<br /><br />.<br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-50517591994800095312015-03-21T12:06:29.171-04:002015-03-21T12:06:29.171-04:00Neocon Mission Accomplished - The Middle East is o...Neocon Mission Accomplished - The Middle East is on fire.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-82184055496714812572015-03-21T12:05:25.804-04:002015-03-21T12:05:25.804-04:00Really, you are a cutting and pasting machine from...Really, you are a cutting and pasting machine from a myriad of Israeli-Firster web sites. You are far too modest. Your team is prolific, 24/7 on message and ever alert with the everyday back-up AS daggers if something slips through.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-28809359043228179262015-03-21T12:05:20.970-04:002015-03-21T12:05:20.970-04:00Fox is reporting the last US Special Forces are be...Fox is reporting the last US Special Forces are being pulled out of Yemen because of the deteriorating security situation. Obama had called Yemen a shining success a few short months ago.<br /><br />ISIS is making large gains in Libya.<br /><br />Syria is chaos.<br /><br />Iraq is chaos, and the southern part is becoming an arm of Iran.<br /><br />Obama is a disaster.<br /><br />He refuses to even properly arm the Kurds.<br /><br />Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-10812136577297117402015-03-21T12:02:51.558-04:002015-03-21T12:02:51.558-04:00.
"Real Americans"
What an asshole. T....<br /><br />"Real Americans"<br /><br />What an asshole. The talking points aren't coming from Deuce. They are coming from Hannity.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-4544522849387159982015-03-21T11:58:18.500-04:002015-03-21T11:58:18.500-04:00I am an amateur compare to your guys. They never s...I am an amateur compare to your guys. They never stop. Surely, you see it on your visits to The AIPAC website.<br /><br />The Lobby demands public votes on support for Israel in US State House! Look at the video. How does that happen and what happens to the brave politicians that vote against the? The Israeli and Zionist Lobby machine moves in to destroy them. <br /><br />The posted video is remarkable. It is a watershed. Twenty did not quite have the courage to just say no. They got up and left twice so as not to vote.<br /><br />What does that tell you? The intimidation is pervasive and the revenge of the Lobby has ruined many a brave man. Does that please you? Does that appeal to your inner OOrah for god and country?<br /><br />Israel über alles.<br /><br />It is a rot. It is un-American and in plain sight it is being challenged and dismantled. It will be a slow painful process for you and it will take down your beloved rotten party with it.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-86656225876543840292015-03-21T11:56:28.465-04:002015-03-21T11:56:28.465-04:00Really you undercut your own message that way.
T...Really you undercut your own message that way. <br /><br />The GOP Likuds Force.<br /><br />What non sense.<br /><br />Real Americans support Israel, have always supported Israel and will continue to support Israel regardless of who the current Prime Minister may be.<br /><br />They always have and it will continue.<br /><br />And your effort to link American support of Israel to Christian crazies is laughable.<br /><br />I know lots of Christians and I don't know of one Christian end timer.<br /><br />I can't recall ever personally running across one, to be honest.<br /><br />Only on TV.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-80020238846590197112015-03-21T11:50:46.403-04:002015-03-21T11:50:46.403-04:00You need to begin writing in something other than ...You need to begin writing in something other than totally stupid propaganda speak or someone might begin mocking you.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-70950607381217468162015-03-21T11:48:37.532-04:002015-03-21T11:48:37.532-04:00Mocking, not aping, Sir.Mocking, not aping, Sir.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-49673482005505465252015-03-21T11:41:30.242-04:002015-03-21T11:41:30.242-04:00You need to use your language skills and chomp wit...You need to use your language skills and chomp with your own original material instead of aping everyone else.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-39191518500920388232015-03-21T11:40:20.293-04:002015-03-21T11:40:20.293-04:00The Magic is Gone.
The intimidation has misfired....The Magic is Gone.<br /><br />The intimidation has misfired.<br /><br />Now, it is a numbers game. The numbers are against the GOP Likuds Force. The GOP is more concerned about doing their master’s work instead of those that sent them to Washington. These movements start as a slow but steady drip. This movement is way past that.<br /><br />The cynicism of Netanyahu and the transparent hatred by the GOP Likuds force for the President of the USA and their willingness to publicly humiliate him with the connivance of The Prime Minister of Israel in our country was so over the top, it broke the spell.<br /><br />Who do these people think they are? Netanyahu has told us, in a taped meeting, who he thinks we are.<br /><br />General Clark told us seven years ago what the Neocons and The Lobby plan was for the ME.<br />He was right on target. <br /><br />Setting the Middle East on fire was their goal. George Bush claimed Mission Accomplished and he was right.<br /><br />Even The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times are posting stories on how AIPAC writes legislation for their paid shills in the halls of The US Congress. AIPAC and the Zionist paymasters blow the rams horn and call US Congressman to duty assignments with trips to Israel. At AIPAC meeting, US politicians are required to stand, one at time to repeat their loyalty to Israel. Something right out of the Soviet Politburo. <br /><br />The Republican Speaker of The House is not visiting Ohio cities on his break, he is bid to Jerusalem. <br /><br />It is wrong. It is without precedent and it needs to be broken. It is time to put the US back into The US Congress.<br /><br />Remarkably, the only party that has the courage to begin the reform is the Democrats.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-75162822432651168782015-03-21T11:36:34.189-04:002015-03-21T11:36:34.189-04:00>>Do the Democrats and Israel Have a Future ...>>Do the Democrats and Israel Have a Future Together?<<<br /><br />No, the American Democratic Arm of the Iranian al-Quds Force and Jews/Israel have no future together.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.com