tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post2423453451756714216..comments2024-03-28T03:47:46.544-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: Senator CraigDeuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-16843863993121210942007-08-29T01:47:00.000-04:002007-08-29T01:47:00.000-04:00I guess he would dispute this account?"Tragically ...I guess he would dispute this account?<BR/><BR/>"<I>Tragically Chiang followed our advice, pulled back his forces, allowing the Communists to get into Manchuria.<BR/><BR/>That's where the Chinese lost the war--that's where we lost the war!--in 1946.<BR/><BR/>The Russians gave them all those supplies that Japan had stored there for its crack Kuantung Army.</I>"Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-46778750117590509422007-08-28T23:19:00.000-04:002007-08-28T23:19:00.000-04:00*"Chiang was not treated badly by us overall"**"Chiang was not treated badly by us overall"*Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10089498195545182330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-70369260632312921612007-08-28T23:16:00.000-04:002007-08-28T23:16:00.000-04:00I don't know for sure, but considering we picked t...I don't know for sure, but considering we picked them up in 1945 and Ike didn't become president until 1952, I suspect it preceded him, though it may have continued under him.<BR/><BR/>As with the Nazi scientists, the Russian had overrun the actual camps, but we had the experts. If I remember correctly, the initial reasoning was that we needed to find out what sort of expertise that the Russians were going to get, but in reality we soon found out how primitive their experiments had really been.<BR/><BR/>Some of the most gruesome stuff, however, that you will ever hear about. Vivisection, replacement of human blood with horse blood, surgical amputations, plague bombs...Mengele type stuff.<BR/><BR/>Mostly Chinese, but also Allied soldiers such as American airmen. Some of the people involved became prominent in Japanese society after the war.<BR/><BR/>And Doug, something that you won't find highlighted in most history books: For a couple years after the end of the war, we had two US Marine divisions, the 1st and the 4th, in North-eastern China. Also transported hundreds of thousands of Nationalist troops into the area from Southern China and Burma. <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Ruins-Empire-Japanese-Surrender-Postwar/dp/0375509151/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-9810475-1279943?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188357276&sr=8-1" REL="nofollow">This book is fascinating on the topic</A>.<BR/><BR/>Marshall was probably a dupe with regard to the negotiations between the Communists and Nationalists, but wasn't treated badly by us overall.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10089498195545182330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-67072118555185876062007-08-28T23:00:00.000-04:002007-08-28T23:00:00.000-04:00China, the world's biggest cigarette producer and ...<I>China, the world's biggest cigarette producer and consumer, will ban all tobacco advertising by 2011, Chinese media reported on Tuesday. Chinese are the world's most enthusiastic smokers, with a growing market of more than 300 million making it a magnet for multinational cigarette companies and focus of international health concern.<BR/><BR/>"China should take the issue of tobacco advertising seriously," the Beijing News quoted Xu Guihua, the deputy head of the China Tobacco Control Association, as saying.<BR/><BR/>"China is quite backward when it comes to controlling the use of tobacco, and the biggest problem is the lack of national regulations to ban smoking."</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.chinapost.com.tw/asia/2007/08/29/120404/China-plans.htm" REL="nofollow">Tobacco Advertising</A>samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08208259520563205356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-10345376298401443482007-08-28T21:41:00.000-04:002007-08-28T21:41:00.000-04:00And This: Oral History interview, April 13, 1970, ...And This:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.trumanlibrary.org/oralhist/judd.htm" REL="nofollow"> Oral History interview, April 13, 1970, Truman Library </A><BR/><BR/>In which Dr. Judd describes how our State Dept, Marshall, and Truman delivered China to the Commies:<BR/><BR/>Dr. Walter H. Judd<BR/>Physician and missionary with experience in China, 1925-31 and 1934-38, member of Congress from Minnesota, 1943-62. United States delegate to the 12th General Assembly of the United Nations, 1957.<BR/>(also WWI vet)<BR/><BR/>When the President said, that the Chinese hadn't followed our advice, I said,<BR/>"Well, Mr. President, most<BR/>of the times they got into trouble were when they did follow our advice."<BR/>And I can give you half a dozen instances of that.<BR/>We advised them to enter into a cease-fire in 1945 with the Communists when they had overwhelmingly the upper hand, the main body of Communists was surrounded.<BR/><BR/>Four times in 1946 alone when the Nationalists had the upper hand, our government forced them to enter into a cease-fire.<BR/>They took our advice--allowing the Communists to escape the encirclement.<BR/><BR/>After the Japanese surrender Wedemeyer and Barbey, under MacArthur's orders, promptly helped transport Chiang Kai-shek's best troops from South China up to Tientsin and Peking to take the surrender of Japanese troops--and on up toward Kalgan.<BR/><BR/>The only land route by which the Communist forces in Northwest China could get into Manchuria where the Russians had moved in was through the Kalgan pass and a road going through Jehol and Chahar provinces.<BR/><BR/>The Nationalists were within a few miles of Kalgan when General Marshall put pressure on the Generalissimo (early January 1946) to pull back his forces<BR/>"in order to show his good will."<BR/><BR/>(Just like the cease-fires and cease-bombing of North Vietnam we are urged to do now to "show our good will, to make a conciliatory gesture.")<BR/><BR/>Tragically Chiang followed our advice, pulled back his forces, allowing the Communists to get into Manchuria.<BR/>That's where the Chinese lost the war--that's where we lost the war!--in 1946.<BR/>The Russians gave them all those supplies that Japan had stored there for its crack Kuantung Army.<BR/><BR/>(Its crack army never was in combat against us. Its Kuantung army was held in reserve in Manchuria because the Japanese originally were prepared if necessary to retire from Japan to Manchuria and fight on from there. The same way Churchill had said, "If we can't hold in Britain, we'll retire to Canada, or to Australia and fight on."<BR/>And if the Japanese Emperor hadn't intervened to order surrender, the Japanese army itself would have done that.)<BR/>The Russians had those enormous supplies in Manchuria, Chennault said, as I recall, "Enough to last an army of a million men five years."<BR/>The Russians gave all of that at one stroke to the Chinese Communists, more than we ever gave Chiang from beginning to end.<BR/><BR/><B>The Russians also turned over to the Communists most of the 600 shiploads of American arms we had shipped to Vladivostok.<BR/>Yet Truman was saying the American arms the Communists were using had come from Chiang.<BR/>And our leftists used to say Chiang was the Communist supply sergeant</B>?<BR/><BR/>It was also said the Chinese forces had no will to fight--but when General Marshall went out<BR/>there, his main complaint was that they had too much will to fight; they were ready to defeat and disarm the Communists.<BR/>He intervened and forced them not to fight.<BR/>He broke the will of the Chinese forces in late '45 and the beginning of '46.<BR/><BR/>Again, it was complained that "whole Chinese armies went over to the Communists" which was true in 1948-49.<BR/>Truman apparently didn't know about the so-called "deactivation" program, another of Marshall's projects in which the Chinese followed our advice.<BR/><BR/>On and on.<BR/>Very sad.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-52535376887438488102007-08-28T21:09:00.000-04:002007-08-28T21:09:00.000-04:00You think it was Truman that pardoned them? I reca...You think it was Truman that pardoned them? I recall it as Ike, well after the War.<BR/><BR/>Though Wiki says it was Douglas MacArthur that granted the miscreants immunity.<BR/><BR/>It was US, regardless.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-83758827637095428192007-08-28T21:03:00.000-04:002007-08-28T21:03:00.000-04:00I think that's the one, cutler.He stopped when the...I think that's the one, cutler.<BR/><BR/>He stopped when the pardon was made part of the discussion. <BR/>Hard to disparage Ike.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-28921788398693357562007-08-28T21:01:00.000-04:002007-08-28T21:01:00.000-04:00Really Truman, though. The Russians had overrun th...Really Truman, though. The Russians had overrun the camps themselves in Manchuria.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10089498195545182330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-70578976715423623922007-08-28T21:00:00.000-04:002007-08-28T21:00:00.000-04:00Unit 731.Unit 731.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10089498195545182330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-59091658947523908992007-08-28T20:51:00.000-04:002007-08-28T20:51:00.000-04:00I recall the remarks about her teeth, more than an...I recall the remarks about her teeth, more than any of the others. That and her ethnicity, like he thought she was Japanese, the way he went on about that meidcal experiment unit, the one that Ike pardoned the members of.<BR/><BR/>He was on that rant for quite a while.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-12799769599053313582007-08-28T19:43:00.000-04:002007-08-28T19:43:00.000-04:00I've heard it does more for orgasms than self-stra...I've heard it does more for orgasms than self-strangulation.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-11797811054621126372007-08-28T19:42:00.000-04:002007-08-28T19:42:00.000-04:00Maybe they'd BOTH be entertained if they could com...Maybe they'd BOTH be entertained if they could come to a "final" agreement.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-88051033734773922972007-08-28T19:39:00.001-04:002007-08-28T19:39:00.001-04:00Give him some last minute entertainment.Give him some last minute entertainment.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-57011365693834493982007-08-28T19:39:00.000-04:002007-08-28T19:39:00.000-04:00BEFORE Fidel kicks the Bucket!BEFORE Fidel kicks the Bucket!Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-43816647678351191682007-08-28T19:38:00.000-04:002007-08-28T19:38:00.000-04:00Since Craig is for lifting the embargo on Cuba, ma...Since Craig is for lifting the embargo on Cuba, maybe he could take his retirement there:)Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-60630124647859247892007-08-28T19:36:00.000-04:002007-08-28T19:36:00.000-04:00Old Al acted just like a Schoolyard Bully.Old Al acted just like a Schoolyard Bully.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-3336033593392182962007-08-28T19:35:00.000-04:002007-08-28T19:35:00.000-04:00Fuck Off!Fuck Off!Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-66206636167344016532007-08-28T19:34:00.001-04:002007-08-28T19:34:00.001-04:00I thought a 'glory hole' was when you hit a gusher...I thought a 'glory hole' was when you hit a gusher in the Texas oil fields. Shows what I know. Or rather what I don't know.<BR/><BR/>This is a family blog, Doug, I try to tailor my words so as not to offend.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1873450369390926482007-08-28T19:34:00.000-04:002007-08-28T19:34:00.000-04:00I remember Holy Man Al doing much worse.I remember Holy Man Al doing much worse.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-25388131496337227552007-08-28T19:33:00.000-04:002007-08-28T19:33:00.000-04:00Filthy, Unhealthy, Sleazy, Morally Corrupt (pages)...Filthy, Unhealthy, Sleazy, Morally Corrupt (pages) <BR/>oth<BR/>maybe we have a problem?Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-74056580408282878402007-08-28T19:32:00.000-04:002007-08-28T19:32:00.000-04:00He was really dogging her for awhile.He was really dogging her for awhile.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-2169134942604617302007-08-28T19:31:00.001-04:002007-08-28T19:31:00.001-04:00Remember when Habu was telling Teresita how hot sh...Remember when Habu was telling Teresita how hot she looked in apricot?Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-80585284464146890852007-08-28T19:31:00.000-04:002007-08-28T19:31:00.000-04:00Besides, what's wrong with Kinky Sex?Besides, what's wrong with Kinky Sex?Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-59924957899944653262007-08-28T19:30:00.001-04:002007-08-28T19:30:00.001-04:00Everybody has a freaky side.Everybody has a freaky side.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-71308923646875203552007-08-28T19:30:00.000-04:002007-08-28T19:30:00.000-04:00Coke or no coke.Public Bathrooms, Pages, elevator ...Coke or no coke.<BR/><BR/>Public Bathrooms, Pages, elevator boys, Jeeze!Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.com