tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post1442109971473169257..comments2024-03-29T06:35:11.321-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: Soldiers' View of Iraq. What do They Know?Deuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-26631591902898170022007-08-23T01:22:00.000-04:002007-08-23T01:22:00.000-04:00There's nothing wrong with dog racing per se--the ...There's nothing wrong with dog racing per se--the two times I went seemed to me the dogs were having a good time, lots of wagging tails, etc. I remember this one puppy didn't seem to take the race too seriously, stopped, took a piss, and finished last. But if many of the dogs are destroyed afterwards, it isn't worth it. It's a kind of juvenal pursuit anyway though harmless in itself. If it's economical to have dog races, and provide for the dogs, fine, otherwise, outlaw it.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-25973177826313384822007-08-22T22:02:00.000-04:002007-08-22T22:02:00.000-04:00SSG Murphy, trish, one of the authors of the NTYim...SSG Murphy, trish, one of the authors of the NTYimes piece.<BR/><BR/>westhawk thinksthey'll be testifying, in Sept, before the Congress.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-77582052884652974322007-08-22T22:01:00.000-04:002007-08-22T22:01:00.000-04:00No, I do not discount them.But the greyhound indus...No, I do not discount them.<BR/><BR/>But the greyhound industry has destroyed dogs, by the thousands, for years, inhumanely in many cases.<BR/><BR/>Mr Vick's misdeeds no worse then many others, especially in the greyhound business.<BR/><BR/>That Mr Vick exhibited some extreme rage and vicousness, I accept. That he will be held accountable, assured.<BR/><BR/>But the hysteria that surronds his case, misplaced. While so many others have done worse, on a massive scale.<BR/><BR/>The Florida case, 3,000 dogs were dispatched. <BR/>In Massachusetts:<BR/><BR/><I>John Perrault, the shelter manager for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, on the conditions at Pittsfield. "I saw wounds, gashes, infections, broken legs that were left untreated. I saw dehydration, starvation, infestation of parasites," Perrault said. ". . . Owners made it clear they wanted the dogs killed."</I><BR/><BR/>Sounds like tortured dogs, to me.<BR/><BR/>If Mr Vick had taken his dogs to the pound, they'd been killed. <BR/>No doubt of that.<BR/><BR/>On the scale of animal cruelty, Mr Vick is small potataos, but for his personal fame, we'd never have heard of it. Because of his fame it is blown out of proportion. <BR/><BR/>His crime being the cruelty was not institutionalized, nor a revenue source for the State.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-63723396008281360082007-08-22T21:50:00.000-04:002007-08-22T21:50:00.000-04:00Twasn't me, Doug.Shallow Slogans R Us.Those shallo...Twasn't me, Doug.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Shallow Slogans R Us.<BR/><BR/>Those shallow slogans got a goodly portion of the country through the first four years. Among your more ardent administration supporters, they still suffice.<BR/><BR/>The rest of us need new shallow slogans. That'll have to wait for the next guy. Or gal.trishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139410627244875589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1544345742012551842007-08-22T21:29:00.000-04:002007-08-22T21:29:00.000-04:00Rat:You seem to ignore the particularly heinous wa...Rat:<BR/>You seem to ignore the particularly heinous ways Vick reportedly used to dispatch his animals. Electrocution, hanging, drowning...plus you equate Greyhound racing with dog fighting. I don't know if you're serious or not, it's hard to tell. But Doug has already pointed out the outrageous aspects to you and yet, you seem to discount them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-92149668043595828382007-08-22T21:28:00.000-04:002007-08-22T21:28:00.000-04:00Yon or Totten recently told his story, Trish.---"I...Yon or Totten recently told his story, Trish.<BR/>---<BR/>"I think Captain Tammy Duckworth, Army veteran and candidate for Congress <A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060930/ap_on_go_co/democrats_iraq;_ylt=AvB6sqgU6.Vkyob8C_E83tqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-" REL="nofollow"><STRONG>said it best</STRONG> </A>: <BR/><BR/>"Instead of a plan or a strategy, we get shallow slogans like 'mission accomplished' and 'stay the course.'"<BR/><A HREF="http://taoofpolitics.blogspot.com/2006/09/i-think-captain-tammy-duckworth-army.html" REL="nofollow"> Tao of Politics </A>Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-47251920833286093472007-08-22T21:21:00.000-04:002007-08-22T21:21:00.000-04:00Dummies that Shit together stick together, Rufus.Dummies that Shit together stick together, Rufus.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1202738025198529052007-08-22T21:00:00.000-04:002007-08-22T21:00:00.000-04:00I've not heard of SSG Murphy. The chopper pilot I ...I've not heard of SSG Murphy. The chopper pilot I know of.<BR/><BR/>Time sensitive target acquisition missions. Those I'm familiar with.trishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139410627244875589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-83727711877873785242007-08-22T20:37:00.000-04:002007-08-22T20:37:00.000-04:00Soon as Staff Sergeant Murphy, an Army Ranger and ...Soon as Staff Sergeant Murphy, an Army Ranger and reconnaissance team leader, who was shot in the head during a “time-sensitive target acquisition mission” on Aug. 12 recovers and runs for office, I'd vote for him.<BR/><BR/>I'd have voted for that female chopper pilot that lost her legs, too, given the chance.<BR/><BR/>Better either of those patriots than Mr Kolbe or Mr Foley.<BR/><BR/>As for the others, I'd likely vote for them too, given the opportunity, everything else being equal. <BR/>Not a chickenhawk amongst 'em.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-9981676145991692462007-08-22T20:31:00.000-04:002007-08-22T20:31:00.000-04:00Well, bob, this'll only be the tenth time he's sai...Well, bob, this'll only be the tenth time he's said it. Doesn't take much to scrape together a speech does it?<BR/><BR/>Wonder who's telling him that the best thing al Maliki could be doing is bowing and scraping to us?<BR/><BR/>I'd like to meet that guy.trishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139410627244875589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-70137361969903345912007-08-22T20:30:00.000-04:002007-08-22T20:30:00.000-04:00Hey, Dumb shits, I was referring to that group of ...Hey, <I>Dumb shits,</I> I was referring to that group of 8 soldiers. Why would I accuse Bob of having political ambitions just because he's fond of dogs. That's plumb silly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-36072490797828721542007-08-22T20:26:00.000-04:002007-08-22T20:26:00.000-04:00Who am I going to vote for depends upon whom is on...Who am I going to vote for depends upon whom is on the ballot, when the Election is held.<BR/><BR/>Axis of Evil, no can't remember the last time I heard someone use the phrase. Another part of the forgotten "Never Forget" rhetoric.<BR/><BR/>The phrase has been been retired, but not forgotten. Now that the NorKs are no longer a supporter of terrorists, and with the Iranians coming to terms with the UN's IAEA, it should be. The Axis is no more, all done with soft power, it's a grand diplomatic achievement. But again, Mr Bush will not admit it, claiming there is need for more sanctions on Iran, when the UN's experts are satisfied that the Iranians are making good on their international nuclear responsibilities.<BR/><BR/>Should we do more with soft power, of course. Been advocating that since before I can remember.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-80711425566541468872007-08-22T20:25:00.000-04:002007-08-22T20:25:00.000-04:00Some days Are Just a Pain in the Ass.Some days <A HREF="http://theospark.blogspot.com/2007/08/be-wary-of-tree-huggers-in-san.html" REL="nofollow">Are Just a Pain in the Ass.</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-82352304922668394312007-08-22T20:09:00.000-04:002007-08-22T20:09:00.000-04:00NO PulloutBush needs a new speech writer. It's jus...<A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2154354,00.html" REL="nofollow">NO Pullout</A><BR/><BR/>Bush needs a new speech writer. It's just too--confusing--quoting from Graham Greene's "The Quiet American".<BR/><BR/>'I never knew a man who had better motives for all the trouble he caused...'Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-26555606345313171022007-08-22T20:08:00.000-04:002007-08-22T20:08:00.000-04:00And yes, Doug, the agency AND DOD can be understoo...And yes, Doug, the agency AND DOD can be understood as checks on the Little Green Footballs/Free Republic crowd. One of the few satisfactions I derive from the war.trishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139410627244875589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-20763937885285473732007-08-22T19:57:00.000-04:002007-08-22T19:57:00.000-04:00"Fighting a global war, on a limited geopgraphic a..."Fighting a global war, on a limited geopgraphic area is bound to fail, has failed and will continue to."<BR/><BR/> - Rat<BR/><BR/>Who you gonna vote for?<BR/><BR/>I got the Long Global Struggle pitch again today, from an old friend of Jerry Bremer's. And I guarantee that the basic outline will remain the same for the next administration, one of the chief tasks of which will be to reduce the prominence of the US military's role within it.<BR/><BR/>Islam is nowhere mentioned in that outline. Neither is war. Neither is victory.<BR/><BR/>And Axis of Evil, well, I can't remember the last time I heard that from an administration official, can you?trishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14139410627244875589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-80174240707583870212007-08-22T17:40:00.000-04:002007-08-22T17:40:00.000-04:00The Secret Army POSTSCRIPTToday, the U.S. Defense ...<A HREF="http://westhawk.blogspot.com/2007/08/secret-army.html" REL="nofollow"><STRONG>The Secret Army</STRONG> </A><BR/><BR/>POSTSCRIPT<BR/>Today, the U.S. Defense Department announced that it is <A HREF="http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=47127" REL="nofollow">closing the Talon intelligence database program</A>, which was designed “to collect and evaluate information about possible threats to U.S. servicemembers and defense civilians at stateside and overseas military installations.”<BR/>---<BR/>To read some press accounts, one would get the impression that Talon's mission was to gather info on US Citizens for Karl Rove's personal use.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-69081529457951367312007-08-22T17:34:00.000-04:002007-08-22T17:34:00.000-04:00I find it interesting that the football player is ...I find it interesting that the football player is villified for killing a dozen or so dogs, while the billionare business man is rewarded for running an industry that kill thousands of them.<BR/><BR/>Add the words "black" and "jewish" to the descriptions and the double standards become even more glaring.<BR/><BR/>It's the faux outrage from the MSM that interests me mostdesert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-65051676647260280612007-08-22T17:30:00.001-04:002007-08-22T17:30:00.001-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-41960751330834140892007-08-22T17:30:00.000-04:002007-08-22T17:30:00.000-04:00Snatching defeat from the Jaws of Victory:(Just li...Snatching defeat from the Jaws of Victory:<BR/>(Just like we did when they sent General Garner Home years ago0<BR/>...he wanted to start where we are now, but without 3 years of destruction and escalating hatred.<BR/>Ah well.<BR/>---<BR/>"<I>Now that moment is passing, as the Shiites have achieved what they believe is rightfully theirs. <BR/>Their next task is to figure out how best to consolidate the gains, because reconciliation without consolidation risks losing it all. <BR/><BR/>Washington’s insistence that the Iraqis correct the three gravest mistakes we made <BR/><BR/>— de-Baathification, <BR/>the dismantling of the Iraqi Army and <BR/>the creation of a loose federalist system of government — <BR/><BR/>places us at cross purposes with the government we have committed to support. </I>"Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-568555408288228012007-08-22T17:24:00.000-04:002007-08-22T17:24:00.000-04:00If Mr Thompson announces he gains nothing and lose...If Mr Thompson announces he gains nothing and loses any ambiguity, he'd have to participate in the cattle call debates, to no positive effect.<BR/>All the while his characters on tv are campaigning for him, presenting a positive image of him to millions of voters each week.<BR/><BR/>Character advertising that debit his accounts not credit them.<BR/><BR/>Historicly it is still very early to announce, the first Primary not even scheduled yet.<BR/><BR/>He is playing to his strengths, though his resume is thin, at least he is not stupid.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-7146937613897756342007-08-22T17:18:00.000-04:002007-08-22T17:18:00.000-04:00Rufus thinks you discussing the Greyhound Underwor...Rufus thinks you discussing the Greyhound Underworld is akin to <BR/>John (poor boy) Edwards<BR/>pontificating on <BR/>"Two Americas"Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-46219928847094406082007-08-22T17:16:00.000-04:002007-08-22T17:16:00.000-04:00I think it is true, BobAl, but don't know if that ...I think it is true, BobAl, but don't know if that is his reason for holding off.<BR/>I tend to doubt it.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-11686144501856936962007-08-22T17:14:00.000-04:002007-08-22T17:14:00.000-04:00Michael Totten Comments on the Article:---""There ...Michael Totten Comments on the Article:<BR/>---<BR/>"<I>"There are some very good points in that article.<BR/><BR/>I'm negotiating with a newspaper editor right now as we speak about writing an op-ed on the surge. I am insisting on having an ambiguous answer about whether or not it is working or not. He strongly wants me to come down on one side or another, but I refuse. The situation is too complicated, and I'm in no mood to arrogantly pontificate on it. <BR/><BR/>We'll see if ambiguity sells in the media. He is resistant, but I am still trying. " </I>Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1633200104709368242007-08-22T16:50:00.000-04:002007-08-22T16:50:00.000-04:00I read that the reason Thompson is holding off dec...I read that the reason Thompson is holding off declaring to the last moment is, probably among other things, that when declared, under the election laws, the monies from those tv shows get cut off, so he's doing himself and some of the other actors a favor by hanging back. I have no idea whether this is true or not.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.com