tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post116715599702230683..comments2024-03-28T06:32:24.557-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: Have we Run Out of Time in Iraq?Deuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167206490306193292006-12-27T03:01:00.000-05:002006-12-27T03:01:00.000-05:00But we'll always get to remember Ford for his cove...But we'll always get to remember Ford for his cover on Cosmo. <BR/><BR/>Maybe when he's divied up into cans he can make the cover of Time. Unless his lavish Michigan tomb's terra cotta vetoes and pardons prove more noteworthy.<BR/><BR/>Maybe its best we lay his body in one of Gerry's iconic station wagons and set him careening over a Michigan dune and let him rest there, naturally and publically. Just how Gerry would have wanted.AspergersGentlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961875840992824358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167205319128082792006-12-27T02:41:00.000-05:002006-12-27T02:41:00.000-05:00Were it not for the despair inspired by Mr Ford an...Were it not for the despair inspired by Mr Ford and his junkie wife, James Carter could never have barnstormed the electorate and rescued them from the Internationalist, Inflationist and Recessionist decisions of Gerald Ford. <BR/><BR/>Before he was so vanquished, Ford'd muscle out the great Justice O'Douglas, notoriously denigrating him with the racist epithet "Paddy." And in spite of his attitude problems, Ford'd retire with all the trimmings, cosmetic angioplasty and all. <BR/><BR/>Hopefully America has the self-respect to tip Ford's rigid remains down the grieving chute into the Amnesty chipper. The mechanical whirl will spit out a crunch, before returning to the calm churn of a moment before. A fitting crescendo for the 38th if there ever was one. <BR/><BR/>May he be stored in tin cans so that his memory may live on for posterity.AspergersGentlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961875840992824358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167200298898710872006-12-27T01:18:00.000-05:002006-12-27T01:18:00.000-05:00Wasn't it LBJ who said Ford couldn't walk and chew...Wasn't it LBJ who said Ford couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time?samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08208259520563205356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167199865462526802006-12-27T01:11:00.000-05:002006-12-27T01:11:00.000-05:00Holding the left flank of the Union line at Gettys...Holding the left flank of the Union line at Gettysburg was the 20th Maine under Col. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain.<BR/>In positioning Chamberlain there Col. Strong Vincent told Chamberlain that if they failed to hold the entire Union Army would be flanked and taken. Many of us know this history well.<BR/> If we fail to hold somewhere in Iraq by almost all knowledgeable people, both Rep & Dem, the admission is that the entire ME will become a cauldron for a much larger war and the probable nuking of Israel.<BR/> If we fail now the butchers price will only increase.<BR/> Wars have propelled America from a traditional past structured by families, communities, religion, faith in progress, and a sense of a national whole to a postmodern present of atomization, fragmentation, secularization, and anomie. We may see the old beliefs and institutions of America as good or bad, fair or unjust, universal or particularistic; but they served an important integrative role, and nothing has taken their place. Standing forsquare against Islam while preserving the rights of man can go a long way in resurrecting a rudderless nation. We Must stand for something. We will be forced to take a stand somewhere. Let us make it in Iraq and not Virginia.Habuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15883037170077821624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167199291882014822006-12-27T01:01:00.000-05:002006-12-27T01:01:00.000-05:002164th said, "A defeated enemy knows the price of ...2164th said, "A defeated enemy knows the price of defeat and the consequences of taking up arms again."<BR/><BR/><I>You defeat enemies by killing his men, emptying his treasury, and breaking his stuff faster than he can rebuild it. In Iraq it's bass ackwards. The enemy is breaking his own stuff faster than we can rebuild it for him, and it's costing <B>us</B> two gigabucks and a dozen lives every week.</I>Teresitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05528002521904908827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167198964576016302006-12-27T00:56:00.000-05:002006-12-27T00:56:00.000-05:00I need some serious ZZZZZ's. put the dog out when ...I need some serious ZZZZZ's. put the dog out when you leave.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167198903812230152006-12-27T00:55:00.000-05:002006-12-27T00:55:00.000-05:00as Trish said earlier, roger that.as Trish said earlier, roger that.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167198614221563272006-12-27T00:50:00.001-05:002006-12-27T00:50:00.001-05:00Who was that scumbag with the long hair ( looked l...Who was that scumbag with the long hair ( looked like he starred in some pirate movie) that was an imbed with a bunch of marines that shot some prisoners that flinched? The marines were investigated because of the film he took. I would have shot them myself and possibly accidently broke his camera. You know it is going to go badly when that starts happening.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167198613868990492006-12-27T00:50:00.000-05:002006-12-27T00:50:00.000-05:00Who was that scumbag with the long hair ( looked l...Who was that scumbag with the long hair ( looked like he starred in some pirate movie) that was an imbed with a bunch of marines that shot some prisoners that flinched? The marines were investigated because of the film he took. I would have shot them myself and possibly accidently broke his camera. You know it is going to go badly when that starts happening.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167198237553451602006-12-27T00:43:00.000-05:002006-12-27T00:43:00.000-05:00I have no quarrel with that rufus. I have said on ...I have no quarrel with that rufus. I have said on many occasions that I do not care which side wins. I want them both to lose, preferably at their own hands. The military brass lost me when they make distinctions between combatants and non-combatants.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167197164404843912006-12-27T00:26:00.000-05:002006-12-27T00:26:00.000-05:00American political leadership failed to recognize ...American political leadership failed to recognize that an enemy has to be defeated in order for him to know he has lost. A defeated enemy knows the price of defeat and the consequences of taking up arms again. <BR/><BR/>We were in Viet Nam for fourteen years. We peaked at 550,000 troops. The American public was supportive from 1964 through 1970. That support was frittered away because we never stopped the re-supply of troops or material from sanctuary countries. The enemy in Viet Nam knew how the politics were playing in the US. They listened to American politicians grasping for ways to get out of the war. They knew that they would win by America getting fed up and quitting. <BR/><BR/>What is different in Iraq? In Viet Nam, the NVA and Viet Cong wanted us to leave. When we left it was over. It was not personal. It is personal in Iraq. <BR/><BR/>There is the religious and cultural tribal gulf that we thought could be bridged with elections. It is even more goofy than was the allowing of the sanctuaries around Viet Nam.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167195872082418392006-12-27T00:04:00.000-05:002006-12-27T00:04:00.000-05:00President Ford has died. RIP.President Ford has died. RIP.allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798524644256471907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167195466460099612006-12-26T23:57:00.000-05:002006-12-26T23:57:00.000-05:00sam,Thanks for the link.Well, again Mr. Biden show...sam,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the link.<BR/><BR/>Well, again Mr. Biden shows the lack of presidential timber. If he, or the Congress as a whole, finds reliable the poll data cited, they may assuredly end the war through legislation. It is more likely, however, that the Congress has looked at the poll internals and understands the displeasure of the public is with HOW the war is being waged rather than opposition to the war itself.<BR/><BR/>If I were a betting man, my money would go on McCain instead of Collins or Coleman, not that I support McCain personally.allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798524644256471907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167193893258261072006-12-26T23:31:00.000-05:002006-12-26T23:31:00.000-05:00"We should not exaggerate the ability of the Unite...<I>"We should not exaggerate the ability of the United States Foreign Relations Committee or the Congress to get a president to act in a manner in which the Congress thinks is more rational or more appropriate," Biden said Tuesday. "There's nothing the United States Congress can do by a piece of legislation to alter the conduct of a war that a president decides to pursue."<BR/><BR/>"This is President Bush's war," he said.</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-na-iraqpol27dec27,0,2689647.story?coll=la-home-headlines" REL="nofollow">Battle on the War</A>samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08208259520563205356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167193731628550412006-12-26T23:28:00.000-05:002006-12-26T23:28:00.000-05:00With the public announcement of Ethiopia’s stunnin...With the public announcement of Ethiopia’s stunning annihilation of the invincible jihadists of Somalia, the State Department felt safe in announcing today its support for Ethiopian offensive. Everything is, doubtless, subject to change with the developing complaints of brutality to come from the UN, Arab League, and the ICRC.allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798524644256471907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167193662730013142006-12-26T23:27:00.000-05:002006-12-26T23:27:00.000-05:00"Al-Maliki, like Faoud Sinoura in Lebanon, is a we...<I>"Al-Maliki, like Faoud Sinoura in Lebanon, is a weak leader.."</I><BR/><BR/>Then get a strong leader. Why on earth do we put up with these two bit clowns that can't deliver?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11132252460964519368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167192191234844312006-12-26T23:03:00.000-05:002006-12-26T23:03:00.000-05:00Whit's "herd of cats" is a metaphor for the ages, ...Whit's "herd of cats" is a metaphor for the ages, for it's clerity is beyond windex. However time will not run out on this problem. The venue may shift, the participants leadership will certainly change, but the character of the problem is timeless. How do nations,tribes,gangs or any advisary resolve an intractible problem? War.<BR/> The United States unfortunately has, as writer Diana West says, a seemingly insurmountable cultural override on waging war.<BR/> There is not a shread of doubt that if we could forget talk of a 50 or 100 year war, we could blast our way off the endangered civilizations list and pocket an overwhelming military victory within two weeks. Our culture however is paralyzed by the cost in civilian casualties. <BR/> Ms.West goes on to write that the great paradox of TWAT is that as our capacity and desire to protect civilians in warfare grows, our enemies capacity and desire to kill civilians grows even more rapacious.<BR/> To this paradox and the accompanying conundrum comes the clarifying nexis of war, total war waged over a month's time unleashing every aerial weapon we have on pockets of resistance such as Sadr City, to name but one.<BR/> If we fail, if we allow the polls in a representative democracy to dictate timetables we will have sold out mankinds last hope for a future of freedom , for only we are capable of this endeavor. But if we prevail at this time and place then we can go forward to Churchill's broad sunlite uplands.<BR/> It is up to those of us who know history, who know that wars are always over the next horizon of time to eschew an ephemeral peace and demand a clarifying victory, no matter the cost to our adversaries civilian lives. It has always been thus and either we visit it on them or they on us.Habuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15883037170077821624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1167191242700747162006-12-26T22:47:00.000-05:002006-12-26T22:47:00.000-05:00Whit said, "It’s doubtful that 30,000 additional t...Whit said, "It’s doubtful that 30,000 additional troops sent for a year or 18 months will buy the time required to make something out the disparate collection of tribes and clans that behave like a herd of cats."<BR/><BR/><I>Here's what it will do: Discredit the "stay the course" option once and for all, just in time for the 2008 election season. At the presidential debates, the only argument will be over how fast to get out of Iraq.</I>Teresitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05528002521904908827noreply@blogger.com